60 or 70mph v.s. national speed limit

[ingenieur]

What's the difference in meaning between a national speed limit sign and a speed limit in a red circle?

[sixor8]

The 'national' speed limit varies according to vehicle type. In a red circle it's a mandatory limit for all vehicles. I've seen the more widespread use of '70' probably because there drivers who don't know maybe, although no vehicle is allowed over 70 so I'm unsure why?

[Sidecar Man]

Likes been said if its a 60 sign thats the speed limit . If its a national speed limit It varies on vehicle taxation class. Amazing the people who don,t know their speed limits.
Had a fire brigade Crew Cab Transit over take me on a Dual Carriageway at about 70mph ish. We stopped at a roundabout and I was alongside him. I said to him his speed limit was 60mph. His reply was " Its 70mph as it a Crew Cab" Well its not as the Taxation class is N1 not M1

[biggbn]

Sidecar Man said:

Likes been said if its a 60 sign thats the speed limit . If its a national speed limit It varies on vehicle taxation class. Amazing the people who don,t know their speed limits.
Had a fire brigade Crew Cab Transit over take me on a Dual Carriageway at about 70mph ish. We stopped at a roundabout and I was alongside him. I said to him his speed limit was 60mph. His reply was " Its 70mph as it a Crew Cab" Well its not as the Taxation class is N1 not M1

I wouldn't give a fk how fast a fire response vehicle was travelling.

[Sidecar Man]

biggbn said:

I wouldn't give a fk how fast a fire response vehicle was travelling.

It wasn't a fire response vehicle thats why it stopped at the roundabout. It was stickered up with Leicester Fire Brigade but was a Van that goes round checking smoke alarms. Had a Wear you're seat belt sign on it as well!!!

[Triumph Man]

Sidecar Man said:

Likes been said if its a 60 sign thats the speed limit . If its a national speed limit It varies on vehicle taxation class. Amazing the people who don,t know their speed limits.
Had a fire brigade Crew Cab Transit over take me on a Dual Carriageway at about 70mph ish. We stopped at a roundabout and I was alongside him. I said to him his speed limit was 60mph. His reply was " Its 70mph as it a Crew Cab" Well its not as the Taxation class is N1 not M1

God how adenoidal must you have sounded

[Sidecar Man]

Triumph Man said:

God how adenoidal must you have sounded

Quite possibly so. But if as an organization you are telling people Speed Kills. You should maybe ensure you're staff stick to the rules they preach.

[clayts450]

In my experience as a 'restricted to 60mph on a dual carriageway' van driver, I'm amazed how many car drivers don't realise their limit is 70 mph. They even brake at less than 60 for speed cameras (all about momentum for me, so I gently breeze past them whilst they slam the brakes on, overtake, and then seconds later they overtake me in 'revenge'....at 60.000001 mph)

[MitchT]

Sidecar Man said:

Had a Wear you're seat belt sign on it as well!!!

Did you correct their grammar too?

[What The Deuces]

I often wonder what the point is of a 70 in a red circle is?

I usually see them on the A55 near Conwy

[Grumps.]

Sidecar Man said:

Likes been said if its a 60 sign thats the speed limit . If its a national speed limit It varies on vehicle taxation class. Amazing the people who don,t know their speed limits.
Had a fire brigade Crew Cab Transit over take me on a Dual Carriageway at about 70mph ish. We stopped at a roundabout and I was alongside him. I said to him his speed limit was 60mph. His reply was " Its 70mph as it a Crew Cab" Well its not as the Taxation class is N1 not M1

I'll take 'things that didn't happen' for 10 please Bob.

[Pica-Pica]

What The Deuces said:

I often wonder what the point is of a 70 in a red circle is?

I usually see them on the A55 near Conwy

That is because it is ‘special road’. It does not allow pedestrians or cyclists, or certain other vehicles. So it is effectively a motorway in all but name, hence the need for a 70 limit.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_road

You can also see NSL speed limits, repeated in large signs, on some roads. These are usually to emphasise that you are NOT entering a (unsigned) 30mph limit, even though area is lit by street lights close together. Example below, staggered side roads, with close-spaced street lights, and an NSL sign to emphasise where an area is lit by street lights close together, and is NOT 30mph

[Pica-Pica]

Sidecar Man said:

Likes been said if its a 60 sign thats the speed limit . If its a national speed limit It varies on vehicle taxation class. Amazing the people who don,t know their speed limits.
Had a fire brigade Crew Cab Transit over take me on a Dual Carriageway at about 70mph ish. We stopped at a roundabout and I was alongside him. I said to him his speed limit was 60mph. His reply was " Its 70mph as it a Crew Cab" Well its not as the Taxation class is N1 not M1

U.K. speed limits by vehicle category, do not necessarily align with UNECE categories (M1, M2, N1, etc) and never have.
It could be classified as a ‘dual purpose vehicle’.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regu...
and thus have car-related speed limits.
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

[Sebring440]

MitchT said:

Sidecar Man said:

Had a Wear you're seat belt sign on it as well!!!

Did you correct their grammar too?

Probably not, but he had the opportunity to correct their spelling...

[Somewhatfoolish]

This also applies to motorways in Scotland hence why there's 70mph signs there on all of them.

I am not 100% sure about this, but I have a vague feeling there aren't where the M6 becomes the M74. Might be worth going for it there.

Seeing 60mph in a sign is quite unusual but you will see it on the Isle of Man. There's a couple of permanent ones but also more added to e.g. various parts of the TT course during TT/GP.

(Of course in that case it's not the NSL)

Up here in County Durham which generally has reasonable NSL (some exceptions like the A690) you will often see repeaters in places you wouldn't expect, because there is street lighting but you are still permitted to do 60. Indeed some of those places even *I* think aren't good for 60.

Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Saturday 15th April 00:00

[Nibbles_bits]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hm-reve...

Not many people own a car derived van, although they obviously think they do based on their speeds

[What The Deuces]

Pica-Pica said:

What The Deuces said:

I often wonder what the point is of a 70 in a red circle is?

I usually see them on the A55 near Conwy

That is because it is ‘special road’. It does not allow pedestrians or cyclists, or certain other vehicles. So it is effectively a motorway in all but name, hence the need for a 70 limit.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_road

You can also see NSL speed limits, repeated in large signs, on some roads. These are usually to emphasise that you are NOT entering a (unsigned) 30mph limit, even though area is lit by street lights close together. Example below, staggered side roads, with close-spaced street lights, and an NSL sign to emphasise where an area is lit by street lights close together, and is NOT 30mph

Nice one thanks. I have asked before and not got a good answer on here.

[trashbat]

Pica-Pica said:

That is because it is ‘special road’. It does not allow pedestrians or cyclists, or certain other vehicles. So it is effectively a motorway in all but name, hence the need for a 70 limit.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_road

It is a special road, I agree. But by default it's also a dual carriageway so the upper limit, for cars etc, is already 70 - so why bother?

Edit: oh, it's saying that due to being a special road but not a motorway, there would be no limit defined at all if it weren't for this, right?

Also, for things where there's a difference, what speed limits apply here - the DC ones or the motorway ones? Or 70?

Edit: this answers my question: https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?titl...

Edited by trashbat on Saturday 15th April 08:38