Expired Licence
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youngricharduk

Original Poster:

238 posts

108 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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My dad has just went to withdraw money for he's holiday and it turns out he's licence expired back in 2021. Obviously he's really shocked and it was just a total oversight. My question is, now he's applied for a renewal can he legally drive in the meantime or does he have to wait for it come through? I've looked online etc but I'm not sure on the answer.

sixor8

7,769 posts

291 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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Presumably, you mean the photo has expired. If you mean he is over 70 then yes it has expired, not sure what you do then.

The licence is still valid (still legal to drive) if it's just the photo but with an expired photo date on it, he may have problems using it as id or for hiring a car. It lasts 10 years unless he's over a certain age (70 ish?) where it may be less.

grumpy52

5,942 posts

189 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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How has it expired?
Is it the photo card ?
Is it his 70th birthday ?

davek_964

10,628 posts

198 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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When I had a total loss accident last year, I had to enter my licence details and get some kind of reference number from DVLA site to submit to my insurers as part of the claim. I assumed that meant that if I didn't have a licence that was still in date I'd have a problem with my claim.

youngricharduk

Original Poster:

238 posts

108 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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Ok so I've just been to his, turns out he did receive a reminder but I can see how he missed it. He's only 59 but has his heavy goods which he no longer uses. The form looks like it's simply to renew his class 1 but if he'd read it properly you have to fill in a certain section to renew the photocard even if you're not carrying on the heavy goods part. So he's photocard expired in 2021, he's lucky because apparently if it passes 2 years he needs to re sit his test. I tried to renew it online but he's not eligible because of the heavy goods i assume. So I'll take him to post office tomorrow. He's going to Greece next week and was going to be renting a car but that's no longer an option unfortunately.

TwigtheWonderkid

47,865 posts

173 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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davek_964 said:
When I had a total loss accident last year, I had to enter my licence details and get some kind of reference number from DVLA site to submit to my insurers as part of the claim. I assumed that meant that if I didn't have a licence that was still in date I'd have a problem with my claim.
Nope. If you look on your insurance certificate, where it says person or persons entitled to drive, it'll say who the drivers are under the policy, followed by wording similar to "providing the person holds a licence (and here's the key bit) or has held a licence and is not disqualified from holding one.
That last bit is to cover you if your licence has expired but there's nothing stopping you from getting a new one.

E-bmw

12,151 posts

175 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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youngricharduk said:
My dad has just went to withdraw money for he's holiday and it turns out he's licence expired back in 2021.
Or to be more accurate (pedantic) sorry.

My dad has just been to withdraw money for his holiday and it turns out his licence expired back in 2021.


BertBert

20,867 posts

234 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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E-bmw said:
Or to be more accurate (pedantic) sorry.

My dad has just been to withdraw money for his holiday and it turns out his licence expired back in 2021.
Gosh well done ebmw that's really added a lot to the bok here.

youngricharduk

Original Poster:

238 posts

108 months

Wednesday 26th April 2023
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E-bmw said:
youngricharduk said:
My dad has just went to withdraw money for he's holiday and it turns out he's licence expired back in 2021.
Or to be more accurate (pedantic) sorry.

My dad has just been to withdraw money for his holiday and it turns out his licence expired back in 2021.
You sound fun...

E-bmw

12,151 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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You are both very welcome.

Chicken_Satay

2,481 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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E-bmw said:
Or to be more accurate (pedantic) sorry.

My dad has just been to withdraw money for his holiday and it turns out his licence expired back in 2021.
At least it wasn't the usual suspects that we see in this forum: lose/loose, your/you're, bought/brought etc.

vikingaero

12,242 posts

192 months

Thursday 27th April 2023
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
davek_964 said:
When I had a total loss accident last year, I had to enter my licence details and get some kind of reference number from DVLA site to submit to my insurers as part of the claim. I assumed that meant that if I didn't have a licence that was still in date I'd have a problem with my claim.
Nope. If you look on your insurance certificate, where it says person or persons entitled to drive, it'll say who the drivers are under the policy, followed by wording similar to "providing the person holds a licence (and here's the key bit) or has held a licence and is not disqualified from holding one.
That last bit is to cover you if your licence has expired but there's nothing stopping you from getting a new one.
Twig is correct on this. My Dad had a skidded on diesel on a roundabout - no other cars involved. The Police arrived to cone off the lane until Highways arrived. My Dad produced his licence (over 70/renew every 3 years) and it was 6 months out of date - he had simply forgotten to renew. The immediate kneejerk reaction of the Officer was No Licence = No Insurance. When I took him home I immediately renewed the licence for him.

Summons received and I sent the Traffic Office the details of his new licence and copy of the Policy with the relevant parts highlighted. They were adamant - No valid Licence = No Insurance. I appeared with my Dad before the Magistrates and I had 3 copies of the Policy with the "providing the person holds a licence (and here's the key bit) or has held a licence and is not disqualified from holding one. highlighted.

The key point was he HAD held a licence (just forgotten to renew it), and was NOT disqualified from holding one (as evidenced by the same day renewal). Case dismissed and some grumpy Magistrates looking at the gormless "Police Prosecutor" on their Video Link.

LosingGrip

8,634 posts

182 months

Friday 28th April 2023
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OP if he gets caught its a £50 fine with zero points. Soon as he applies he can drive under section 88 until he has his licence back with him. Normally pretty quickly to be fair if done online.

youngricharduk

Original Poster:

238 posts

108 months

Saturday 29th April 2023
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LosingGrip said:
OP if he gets caught its a £50 fine with zero points. Soon as he applies he can drive under section 88 until he has his licence back with him. Normally pretty quickly to be fair if done online.
Thanks for the help. It turned out it wasn't as bad as we thought, his car licence etc doesn't expire until he turns 70. It was his heavy goods that had expired so the photocard needs to be renewed still but he's still fine to drive. Got straight through to the DVLA which i couldn't believe!