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No not that sort.
Was driving home yesterday behind an audi suv that indicated right (yes I know!) and began to slow down, when a motorcycle and pillion overtook me.
Thiugh that was a bit foolhardy but OK, except he'd obviously not seen the indicator as he kept going and the inevitable happened with a full blown t-bone of the car as she turned.
Bike destroyed both rider and pillion very sore, and the pillion badly cut neck from the driver window.
Driver and baby in car were fine but I suspect both vehicles will be written off.
I suspect the rider will be blamed, but those thin line indicators aren't very obvious, yes I saw it and so should he, but a moments distraction and it's too late.
I've always gone by the belief of never overtake more than one vehicle at once unless yours filtering, and that would have saved them today.
Full on 3 police cars, paramedic and two ambulances and the air ambulance all turned up.
Submitted my dashcam. To the police, always have it on, never bother to look at it normally, so grateful it worked, as was the copper as it saves him a whole load of extra work.
Nice to see so many people stop to try and help instead of just driving past, but still got the rubber neckers getting in the way.
Lots of gossip on Facebook local page about it now, but the rider and driver are both local so keeping my opinions to myself as the pages can all get a bit ranty.
Personally. I think there were very lucky as it could have been much worse
Was driving home yesterday behind an audi suv that indicated right (yes I know!) and began to slow down, when a motorcycle and pillion overtook me.
Thiugh that was a bit foolhardy but OK, except he'd obviously not seen the indicator as he kept going and the inevitable happened with a full blown t-bone of the car as she turned.
Bike destroyed both rider and pillion very sore, and the pillion badly cut neck from the driver window.
Driver and baby in car were fine but I suspect both vehicles will be written off.
I suspect the rider will be blamed, but those thin line indicators aren't very obvious, yes I saw it and so should he, but a moments distraction and it's too late.
I've always gone by the belief of never overtake more than one vehicle at once unless yours filtering, and that would have saved them today.
Full on 3 police cars, paramedic and two ambulances and the air ambulance all turned up.
Submitted my dashcam. To the police, always have it on, never bother to look at it normally, so grateful it worked, as was the copper as it saves him a whole load of extra work.
Nice to see so many people stop to try and help instead of just driving past, but still got the rubber neckers getting in the way.
Lots of gossip on Facebook local page about it now, but the rider and driver are both local so keeping my opinions to myself as the pages can all get a bit ranty.
Personally. I think there were very lucky as it could have been much worse
Alorotom said:
Sounds more case of lack of observation and forward looking by the bike tbh - if anything newer cars’ LED indicators are much more visible than old style filament bulbs (IMO).
It’s good that all are mostly uninsured but seems quite clear-cut to me.
I'm with you I think, after all I saw the indicator, and the driver could have looked in her mirror, seen it was clear and then turned., as the bike wouldn't have been there.It’s good that all are mostly uninsured but seems quite clear-cut to me.
In the dash cam you can hear me say "idiot" and see me shake my head in the mirror as the bike goes past. I don't remember saying it, or doing it, but I must have thought it wasn't a sensible thing to do at the timr
pocketspring said:
Whether the Audi was indicating or not (glad it was), the sign of vehicle brake lights coming on coming up to a junction is a rather big clue as to what is going to happen next.
To clarify, it wasn't a junction, they were turning into their drive.But I agree the brake lights were a clue.
Jasey_ said:
If that goes 50/50 it will show just how bad the insurance industry is.
I would hope the rider gets charged with dd.
I don't think it will, but who knows. Thing is they overtook me at what I would say was a sensible speed, not a loony bike overtake, that's why I was so surprised they continued.I would hope the rider gets charged with dd.
I'd say careless driving at worst, it was a moments lack of observation and an ill considered move, but I think dd would have be much more ridiculous
Jasey_ said:
sociopath said:
Jasey_ said:
If that goes 50/50 it will show just how bad the insurance industry is.
I would hope the rider gets charged with dd.
I don't think it will, but who knows. Thing is they overtook me at what I would say was a sensible speed, not a loony bike overtake, that's why I was so surprised they continued.I would hope the rider gets charged with dd.
I'd say careless driving at worst, it was a moments lack of observation and an ill considered move, but I think dd would have be much more ridiculous
Given that some folk get charged with dd for simply excessive speed I think the rider may be in trouble.
I suspect the write off because all the air bags went off and a lot of the glass went. In the old days it would be repairable, but I don't think they'll bother.
Red9zero said:
Biker was being a bit naughty, but the driver could have done a life saver. Maybe driving round Bristol makes you paranoid, but I always expect a push bike, motorbike or e-scooter to come whizzing past on either side at any minute.
As an ex biker myself, I almost always do a lifesaver, but I'm not sure even I would have done one there. Looking at the dash cam (I have front and rear) the bike was scarcely visible when I started slowing down so it would be easy to miss it for the driver in in front of me.
The biker slowed down as they came up to me, I'm just confused why they didn't wonder why we'd slowed down and be more cautious.
Still don't think it was anything more than careless driving though, but luckily not my decision
Trevor555 said:
Any RPU officers on here?
What's the actual law regarding filtering?
A quick google says it's legal if done safely, at a sensible speed.
In the event of an accident who decides what the sensible speed should have been?
Or whether the biker was filtering sensibly?
He wasn't filtering, he was overtaking What's the actual law regarding filtering?
A quick google says it's legal if done safely, at a sensible speed.
In the event of an accident who decides what the sensible speed should have been?
Or whether the biker was filtering sensibly?
sociopath said:
Trevor555 said:
Any RPU officers on here?
What's the actual law regarding filtering?
A quick google says it's legal if done safely, at a sensible speed.
In the event of an accident who decides what the sensible speed should have been?
Or whether the biker was filtering sensibly?
He wasn't filtering, he was overtaking What's the actual law regarding filtering?
A quick google says it's legal if done safely, at a sensible speed.
In the event of an accident who decides what the sensible speed should have been?
Or whether the biker was filtering sensibly?
I'm a biker too, so I'd like to know guidelines.
Trevor555 said:
sociopath said:
Trevor555 said:
Any RPU officers on here?
What's the actual law regarding filtering?
A quick google says it's legal if done safely, at a sensible speed.
In the event of an accident who decides what the sensible speed should have been?
Or whether the biker was filtering sensibly?
He wasn't filtering, he was overtaking What's the actual law regarding filtering?
A quick google says it's legal if done safely, at a sensible speed.
In the event of an accident who decides what the sensible speed should have been?
Or whether the biker was filtering sensibly?
I'm a biker too, so I'd like to know guidelines.
It's legal unless there's a solid white line you have to cross, or where there's a no overtaking sign.
That doesn't make it sensible in all circumstances though, so even though it's legal you could still get done for careless, dangerous etc
Trevor555 said:
When does filtering become overtaking?
I'm a biker too, so I'd like to know guidelines.
I am not biker but to me filtering has always been what bikers are able to do in slow moving or stationary traffic where they ride down the middle of two lanes or along the outside of one. The description here by the OP details an overtake without clear vision of the road ahead and therefore no clear vison of what all of the cars in front are intending to do and/or why they are slowing down. What would the situation be if there was a child in the road that the biker then hit?I'm a biker too, so I'd like to know guidelines.
Bottom line is if you can't see clearly past everything you want to overtake don't do it.
Jasey_ said:
From your op to have written off an audi turning into their drive in presumably a residential area sounds pretty dangerous to me.
Given that some folk get charged with dd for simply excessive speed I think the rider may be in trouble.
The level of damage is not an indicator to whether something is careless or dangerous driving. Given that some folk get charged with dd for simply excessive speed I think the rider may be in trouble.
Excessive speed alone is not going to be a DD charge unless there are other factors.
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