Deaths in SW London up 200%
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[url]Richmond and Twickenham Times|http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/localnews/display.var.625642.0.casualties_decrease_in_bid_to_meet_road_targets.php[/url]
[quote=R&TT]Casualties decrease in bid to meet road targets
By Sarah Woods
FATAL road accidents have risen sharply in the borough whilst serious injuries are on the decline, according to new figures.
Figures released by Transport for London show that fatalities increased by 200 per cent in 2004 compared to 2003, and serious casualties went down by 39.3 per cent.
Overall, the total number of casualties, fatal, serious or slight, decreased by 14 per cent.
This comes at a time when the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, has announced ambitious new road safety targets to halve the number of road deaths in London.
Cllr Mark Kreling, Richmond upon Thames Council's cabinet member for transport, said: "We are pleased that the overall figures are down. However, any deaths are a terrible tragedy.
"One thing you have to look at is that there have been some unusual accidents. The milkman who was in collision with a police van and on the A316 a few years ago a bike slowed down because of a speed camera and someone ran into him. There are unusual causes.
"We have got quite a decent road safety budget this year and we are looking to improve safety in the borough in imaginative ways, rather than putting in humps and further restrictions on the way you drive.
"Education is extremely important and we have a very big programme for schools and pedestrians."
The revised 50 per cent target London-wide follows a 19 per cent reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured in the capital compared to a year ago.
The figures show that London's road accident rates are improving almost four times faster than the rest of the country.
Ken Livingstone said: "London is showing huge progress in cutting road injuries and deaths, disproving those who say that road safety measures have no positive impact.
"Any death or serious injury is one too many but these figures show that London's roads are getting safer more quickly than anywhere else in the UK. As we have very nearly met existing targets to reduce accidents by a full five years, I am setting even tougher targets to cut accidents further to 50 per cent by 2010.
"Transport for London will be working with the police and the boroughs to make our streets even safer for all our road users."[/quote]
Casual use of language when mentioning that a speed camera directly caused the death of a motorcyclist :rolleyes:
[quote=R&TT]Casualties decrease in bid to meet road targets
By Sarah Woods
FATAL road accidents have risen sharply in the borough whilst serious injuries are on the decline, according to new figures.
Figures released by Transport for London show that fatalities increased by 200 per cent in 2004 compared to 2003, and serious casualties went down by 39.3 per cent.
Overall, the total number of casualties, fatal, serious or slight, decreased by 14 per cent.
This comes at a time when the mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, has announced ambitious new road safety targets to halve the number of road deaths in London.
Cllr Mark Kreling, Richmond upon Thames Council's cabinet member for transport, said: "We are pleased that the overall figures are down. However, any deaths are a terrible tragedy.
"One thing you have to look at is that there have been some unusual accidents. The milkman who was in collision with a police van and on the A316 a few years ago a bike slowed down because of a speed camera and someone ran into him. There are unusual causes.
"We have got quite a decent road safety budget this year and we are looking to improve safety in the borough in imaginative ways, rather than putting in humps and further restrictions on the way you drive.
"Education is extremely important and we have a very big programme for schools and pedestrians."
The revised 50 per cent target London-wide follows a 19 per cent reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured in the capital compared to a year ago.
The figures show that London's road accident rates are improving almost four times faster than the rest of the country.
Ken Livingstone said: "London is showing huge progress in cutting road injuries and deaths, disproving those who say that road safety measures have no positive impact.
"Any death or serious injury is one too many but these figures show that London's roads are getting safer more quickly than anywhere else in the UK. As we have very nearly met existing targets to reduce accidents by a full five years, I am setting even tougher targets to cut accidents further to 50 per cent by 2010.
"Transport for London will be working with the police and the boroughs to make our streets even safer for all our road users."[/quote]
Casual use of language when mentioning that a speed camera directly caused the death of a motorcyclist :rolleyes:
Ken Livingstone said:
London is showing huge progress in cutting road injuries and deaths, disproving those who say that road safety measures have no positive impact.
Sorry Ken, that's not right.
Ken Livingstone should have said:
London is showing huge progress in cutting road injuries, but we have proved that those who say that ignoring sensible road safety measures in favour of speed cameras has no positive impact are right by hugely increasing the number of deaths.
Well, if you make the congestion so bad that vehicles hardly move and then introduce congestion charging which further cuts traffic levels one might expect some very noticable changes.
Whether the numbers have just moved elsewhere with the punters is another matter.
IIRC the Met. handed over a load of responsibilities (and cameras) to other forces a few years ago on the peripheries of London near the M25.
I wonder if Ken's figures are in any way influenced by that change?
Indeed apart from the percentages, what are Ken's figures?
Whether the numbers have just moved elsewhere with the punters is another matter.
IIRC the Met. handed over a load of responsibilities (and cameras) to other forces a few years ago on the peripheries of London near the M25.
I wonder if Ken's figures are in any way influenced by that change?
Indeed apart from the percentages, what are Ken's figures?
[quote=YamR1,V64motion]
ken livingstone is a complete tosser, firset he introduces the congestion charge now he makes the charge higher, and he wants to try and make it £20 for 4*4s, personally i hope his death is a road death by been run over by a Range Rover/X5/Cayenne.[/quote]
I would have thought something related to a not bendy-bus would be more ironic as well as less damaging to the motoring cause.
We don't want to make these people martyrs do we?
ken livingstone is a complete tosser, firset he introduces the congestion charge now he makes the charge higher, and he wants to try and make it £20 for 4*4s, personally i hope his death is a road death by been run over by a Range Rover/X5/Cayenne.[/quote]
I would have thought something related to a not bendy-bus would be more ironic as well as less damaging to the motoring cause.
We don't want to make these people martyrs do we?
YamR1V64motion said:
ken livingstone is a complete tosser, firset he introduces the congestion charge now he makes the charge higher, and he wants to try and make it £20 for 4*4s, personally i hope his death is a road death by been run over by a Range Rover/X5/Cayenne.
Far too good for him I would like to man the forge that gets the poker white hot. Then again I would also like to be the one to shove it right up his arse too. I hate Mad Ken he is slime.
>> Edited by nonegreen on Sunday 28th August 01:19
Ist same in Cumbria.. ist Ks are up und submarinated Steviebabes admits on radio und then extols fact that SI ist down.
Ist nonense. For policy to be successful - should be less accident und accidents are increasing.
If scam policy ist "success" - should not happen.
Ist playing mit figures und self deception - if death ist up 2005 - ist failure. 
So - if speed cam was not there? und bike had maintained the speed? No accident. Own goal there Just admitted a scam caused a fatal...
Ist a decent new advert on the telly
But it need to be shown more frequently.
Und speed course should not be targetting the just overs - a warning letter suffice there - should be aimed at re-educating those who need it. Can be offered as alternative to points for current cut off at 38 mph (Lancs) und mit points for those above... if money ist to be put where big mouths are.
Und you need to educate those really silly "not really cyclists but spotty oiks on bikes" Und instil responsibility for personal safety culture in all. Drummed into us as children - but then there are obvious dangers when you live on a mountainside.
Ks are up 200% und ist contradiction in this piece. Ist playing mit figures und trying to bend them to mean what he want them to mean Ist not working, Red Ken Liebchen
Less traffic in capital by Kengestion charges - lees opportunity for crunch. It move to other areas on outskirts. Ist just moving problem around mit money making und false measure instead of tacking reality head on - und investing in policemen und tightening training und test procedures.
>> Edited by WildCat on Sunday 28th August 12:05
Ist nonense. For policy to be successful - should be less accident und accidents are increasing.
article said:
FATAL road accidents have risen sharply in the borough whilst serious injuries are on the decline, according to new figures.
If scam policy ist "success" - should not happen.
article said:
Figures released by Transport for London show that fatalities increased by 200 per cent in 2004 compared to 2003, and serious casualties went down by 39.3 per cent.
Overall, the total number of casualties, fatal, serious or slight, decreased by 14 per cent.
Ist playing mit figures und self deception - if death ist up 2005 - ist failure.
article said:
"One thing you have to look at is that there have been some unusual accidents. The milkman who was in collision with a police van and on the A316 a few years ago a bike slowed down because of a speed camera and someone ran into him. There are unusual causes.
So - if speed cam was not there? und bike had maintained the speed? No accident. Own goal there
Just admitted a scam caused a fatal... article said:
"Education is extremely important and we have a very big programme for schools and pedestrians."
Ist a decent new advert on the telly
But it need to be shown more frequently. Und speed course should not be targetting the just overs - a warning letter suffice there - should be aimed at re-educating those who need it. Can be offered as alternative to points for current cut off at 38 mph (Lancs) und mit points for those above... if money ist to be put where big mouths are.
Und you need to educate those really silly "not really cyclists but spotty oiks on bikes"
Und instil responsibility for personal safety culture in all. Drummed into us as children - but then there are obvious dangers when you live on a mountainside. article said:
The figures show that London's road accident rates are improving almost four times faster than the rest of the country.
Ken Livingstone said: "London is showing huge progress in cutting road injuries and deaths, disproving those who say that road safety measures have no positive impact.
Ks are up 200% und ist contradiction in this piece. Ist playing mit figures und trying to bend them to mean what he want them to mean
Ist not working, Red Ken Liebchen article said:
"Any death or serious injury is one too many but these figures show that London's roads are getting safer more quickly than anywhere else in the UK. As we have very nearly met existing targets to reduce accidents by a full five years, I am setting even tougher targets to cut accidents further to 50 per cent by 2010.
Less traffic in capital by Kengestion charges - lees opportunity for crunch. It move to other areas on outskirts.
Ist just moving problem around mit money making und false measure instead of tacking reality head on - und investing in policemen und tightening training und test procedures. >> Edited by WildCat on Sunday 28th August 12:05
trax said:
Maybe not on topic, but how can people in London slate Ken, you prats voted for him. Suffer his idiotic introductions. I hope he triples the congestion charge, perhaps the morons might not vote for him then.
No mindless chav's and the Islington set voted for him. Sensible people (ie most Ph's) always recognised him as Socialist scum.
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