Braverman trying to dodge SAC
Braverman trying to dodge SAC
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12TS

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2,179 posts

232 months

paintman

7,846 posts

212 months

Saturday 20th May 2023
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In summary:
'Can I do a speed awareness course on my own?'
'No'
'Ok I'll take the fine & points'

TwigtheWonderkid

47,814 posts

172 months

Saturday 20th May 2023
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I can't stand her but I'm not seeing a problem here. High profile politician thinks it would be difficult to do a public SAC, so asks the people who work for her to find out if she can do a private one. They go away, ask, get told the answer is no, and pass that info on. So she decides against a SAC and takes the points.

Personally, I think high profile govt ministers should be able to do a private SAC. It's not practical to do a public one, so she has to take the points when she doesn't want to. She hasn't really got the options you or I have.

rigga

8,792 posts

223 months

Saturday 20th May 2023
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Thought they were all on line now anyway .

Privacy of her own home.

Rough101

2,934 posts

97 months

Saturday 20th May 2023
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rigga said:
Thought they were all on line now anyway .

Privacy of her own home.
Exactly this.

And if you don’t want embarrassed in public, don’t get caught speeding.

Mandat

4,392 posts

260 months

Saturday 20th May 2023
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paintman said:
In summary:
'Can I do a speed awareness course on my own?'
'No'
'Ok I'll take the fine & points'
The facts of the case bear no resemblance to the thread title, or even the Times headline.

Poor effort all round. Must try harder. 1/10.

K4sper

355 posts

94 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I can't stand her but I'm not seeing a problem here. High profile politician thinks it would be difficult to do a public SAC, so asks the people who work for her to find out if she can do a private one. They go away, ask, get told the answer is no, and pass that info on. So she decides against a SAC and takes the points.
You've missed the crucial a step here, which is that after she was told it wasn't possible to arrange a one on one course, she [apparently] asked an aide to try and lean on the course provider to make an exception. That's the objectionable bit, i would have thought? Using her position to try and assert inappropriate pressure and influence the decision making of civil servants?

OzzyR1

6,257 posts

254 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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rigga said:
Thought they were all on line now anyway .

Privacy of her own home.
I did an online one last year and recall it was very strongly stated at the outset that the session was confidential and there would be serious repercussions should anyone breach that and identify attendees outside of that session.

There were 15-20 people in my class, if Braverman were amongst them I doubt I'd have noticed.

It's speeding not GBH, should have just got on with it and no-one would have taken any notice.

dundarach

5,944 posts

250 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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I don't think she was trying to dodge anything.

However opting to take points rather than having people know she's speeding shows she's as thick as mince.

Especially as she must have known it would come out, shows she's as thick as mince.

Which proves everything I've ever thought about her, she's as thick as mince.


Voldemort

7,182 posts

300 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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TwigtheWonderkid said:


Personally, I think high profile govt ministers should be able to do a private SAC. I think that one rule for us and one rule for them is fine.
Fixed.

heebeegeetee

29,827 posts

270 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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I also think this is a non-story, other than that it shows there are certain politicians who absolutely do not want to mix with the general public, and that's possibly worthy of discussion. smile

richs2891

904 posts

275 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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Are speed awareness courses back in classrooms now ? As I thought they where all teams based now?

Pica-Pica

15,919 posts

106 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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I thought the process was:-
Q. I’ve been caught speeding, how can I get out of it?
A. Write on Pistonheads, there’s always a loophole.

abzmike

11,216 posts

128 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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Pica-Pica said:
I thought the process was:-
Q. I’ve been caught speeding, how can I get out of it?
A. Write on Pistonheads, there’s always a loophole.
Where’s AGT-Law when you need him… lol

rdjohn

6,947 posts

217 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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A non-story, except yet another Civil Servant fails to respect the confidentiality of their Minister.

LivLL

12,072 posts

219 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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rdjohn said:
A non-story, except yet another Civil Servant fails to respect the confidentiality of their Minister.
Precisely!

I did a SAC online and the webcams people used were clearly visible to everyone else. She would probably have been identified by at least one of the participants BUT so what? She should have just attended online and put it behind her.

Cockaigne

2,797 posts

41 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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rdjohn said:
A non-story, except yet another Civil Servant fails to respect the confidentiality of their Minister.
two sides to every story, someone else might think that being responsible for law and order in this country should follow the rules, and not try to corrupt the process. It then also questions the integrity and morality, but clearly this current government lacks these anyway so probably will get a medal.

911hope

3,793 posts

48 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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rdjohn said:
A non-story, except yet another Civil Servant fails to respect the confidentiality of their Minister.
Entirely appropriate to make people aware that home secretary tried to bend the legal process to her advantage.

Very stupid of her to think it would not get out.


Pica-Pica

15,919 posts

106 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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911hope said:
rdjohn said:
A non-story, except yet another Civil Servant fails to respect the confidentiality of their Minister.
Entirely appropriate to make people aware that home secretary tried to bend the legal process to her advantage.

Very stupid of her to think it would not get out.
But she was not the Home Secretary back then. Perhaps even worse, she was the Attorney General.

tr7v8

7,529 posts

250 months

Sunday 21st May 2023
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richs2891 said:
Are speed awareness courses back in classrooms now ? As I thought they where all teams based now?
Just tried to book an SAC in Kent. Absolutely no live places, loads of Zoom/Teams ones though. So it looks like they're not back in the classroom.