Criminal vs Civil trial requirements
Criminal vs Civil trial requirements
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Racing Newt

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1,277 posts

227 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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Having a little discussion with some friends, none of us have ever been in court or charged with any crimes or involved in any civil actions.
We were discussing that in a criminal action the accused is shown the evidence against them and therefore is able to construct a defence before the actual trial begins.
In a civil action is the same requirement mandatory, or can evidence, not shown prior to the trial, be introduced at the trial and how would it be revealed to the accused/ his-her representative??.

Bri957

285 posts

245 months

Wednesday 21st June 2023
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I'm sure those with more experience will answer shortly.

However the main difference is that in civil law, you have to demonstrate a loss - not that a law has been broken.

Criminal - must be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, also includes innocent unless proven guilty.

BrokenSkunk

5,026 posts

272 months

Thursday 22nd June 2023
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Does the OP mean a civil claim or a private prosecution?
Either way, disclosure is usually (but not always, that's what "usually" means) done in advance.
IANAL (OASOLB).

Ninja59

3,691 posts

134 months

Thursday 22nd June 2023
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Probably easiest to have a read up of the Civil Procedure Rules.

sugerbear

6,268 posts

180 months

Thursday 22nd June 2023
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Racing Newt said:
Having a little discussion with some friends, none of us have ever been in court or charged with any crimes or involved in any civil actions.
We were discussing that in a criminal action the accused is shown the evidence against them and therefore is able to construct a defence before the actual trial begins.
In a civil action is the same requirement mandatory, or can evidence, not shown prior to the trial, be introduced at the trial and how would it be revealed to the accused/ his-her representative??.
I have been through the small claims process and I did need to disclose evidence prior to the hearing. It isn't a TV show, you wont get bonus points for bringing out a bit of evidence at the trial.

guitarcarfanatic

1,951 posts

157 months

Saturday 24th June 2023
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Burden of proof is different as well.

Criminal - has to beyond reasonable doubt, 99.9%.

Civil is more likely than not, 51%.

Grrbang

755 posts

93 months

Saturday 24th June 2023
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Most civil disputes fall under the civil procedure rules which are viewable online. The rules require parties to provide their arguments, facts, and evidence as early as possible in the process. The later a party introduces new arguments, facts, or evidence without a good reason, the more likely they are to be penalised on costs, or to have the new evidence not be admitted, or for the other party may be given more time to respond.

whimsical ninja

252 posts

49 months

Sunday 25th June 2023
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guitarcarfanatic said:
Burden of proof is different as well.

Criminal - has to beyond reasonable doubt, 99.9%.

Civil is more likely than not, 51%.
Just a small thing, but I believe the term "beyond reasonable doubt" is now obsolete and juries are now advised that they need to be "sure"

uknick

1,040 posts

206 months

Sunday 25th June 2023
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Bri957 said:
I'm sure those with more experience will answer shortly.

However the main difference is that in civil law, you have to demonstrate a loss - not that a law has been broken.

Criminal - must be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, also includes innocent unless proven guilty.
In an employment tribunal you do have to show the law has been broken, be it employment, discrimination, contract etc.. Once proven, the loss is considered with to regard the settlement.

Rough101

2,955 posts

97 months

Sunday 25th June 2023
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Civil dispute cases do need a skeleton case outlined and disclosed and going off piste from these is likely to incur the wrath of the judge.

simonas2702

201 posts

89 months

Monday 26th June 2023
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whimsical ninja said:
Just a small thing, but I believe the term "beyond reasonable doubt" is now obsolete and juries are now advised that they need to be "sure"
The test is still beyond reasonable doubt but judges are directed to say to jurys that they are sure as the feeling is juries won't understand what reasonable doubt means.

All I have heard in Liverpool is reasonable doubt