PCSO Refuses to assist
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No idea what the balance of blame is between incompetent staff and insufficient funding but the outcome of it all is horrendous. The level of response in most areas now has made it feel like a huge number of crimes have practically been decriminalised as you call to report and simply get a crime number for your insurance and no police visit i.e. Car thefts, assaults (at least anything less than GBH, maybe ABH) , shoplifting, dangerous dogs.
So long as the OH is wanting to stay put I'll be here but unless things start to turn around in the UK I feel like the future is going to be moving back overseas.
So long as the OH is wanting to stay put I'll be here but unless things start to turn around in the UK I feel like the future is going to be moving back overseas.
pocketspring said:
This is one of the reasons why town centres are drafting in Town Rangers from private security firms. The firms are charging around £85/hour.
The problem with replacing full time Police Officers with some “Town Ranger” is what powers of arrest do these private security firms have? Nothing more than any other civilian? It won’t take long for feral scrotes to ignore them, knowing they’ll get away with it. Edited by Mr Miata on Monday 3rd July 13:21
I don’t blame him personally. As a volunteer he wouldn’t have been adequately trained to tackle violent situations. Do you really want to get punched in the face or risk a stabbing, he probably had a real job that paid his bills to return to the next day.
Its ridiculous the police have to rely on volunteers, in place of fully trained officers.
Its ridiculous the police have to rely on volunteers, in place of fully trained officers.
wyson said:
I don’t blame him personally. As a volunteer he wouldn’t have been adequately trained to tackle violent situations. Its ridiculous the police have to rely on them in the first place, in place of fully trained officers.
PCSOs are salaried employees, not volunteers. I believe you're thinking of special constables, who have more powers than a PCSO (match that of a police officer) but are volunteer only.wyson said:
I don’t blame him personally. As a volunteer he wouldn’t have been adequately trained to tackle violent situations. Its ridiculous the police have to rely on them in the first place, in place of fully trained officers.
The plastic police were only ever going to be a cost-cutting sticking plaster. Not to say some don't do good work in some situations, this is a general comment on the motive behind the creation of their role.Pitre said:
Response is hugely understaffed. Sure, there are officers that can't deal with these types of incident without help, but how this police person was left on his own in a marked police car if he's not able to respond is crazy.
Broken Britain.
I was surprised at that, questions what purpose he was actually serving ?Broken Britain.
wyson said:
J1990 said:
PCSOs are salaried employees, not volunteers. I believe you're thinking of special constables, who have more powers than a PCSO (match that of a police officer) but are volunteer only.
Thanks for clearing that up. So they are like the nurses of the police force?wyson said:
I don’t blame him personally. As a volunteer he wouldn’t have been adequately trained to tackle violent situations. Do you really want to get punched in the face or risk a stabbing, he probably had a real job that paid his bills to return to the next day.
Its ridiculous the police have to rely on volunteers, in place of fully trained officers.
This is copy from Sussex Police Its ridiculous the police have to rely on volunteers, in place of fully trained officers.
While PCSOs do not have powers of arrest and cannot interview or process prisoners, you will have the power for a wide range of situations including issuing fixed penalty notices, requiring contact details and seizing drugs.
so I guess the "do not have powers of arrest and cannot interview or process prisoners" apply in this situation?
turbobloke said:
The plastic police were only ever going to be a cost-cutting sticking plaster. Not to say some don't do good work in some situations, this is a general comment on the motive behind the creation of their role.
I take the more positive view that you don't need a full police officer for every scenario.Like GPs and pharmacists. Pharmacists can cover a range of things and refer back to a doctor as needed.
Or an MIU department in a hospital where a nurse can do 90% of the triage and escalate as needed.
It's about having the right mix and at the right time.
kurokawa said:
This is copy from Sussex Police
While PCSOs do not have powers of arrest and cannot interview or process prisoners, you will have the power for a wide range of situations including issuing fixed penalty notices, requiring contact details and seizing drugs.
so I guess the "do not have powers of arrest and cannot interview or process prisoners" apply in this situation?
We can all make a citizen's arrest, no?While PCSOs do not have powers of arrest and cannot interview or process prisoners, you will have the power for a wide range of situations including issuing fixed penalty notices, requiring contact details and seizing drugs.
so I guess the "do not have powers of arrest and cannot interview or process prisoners" apply in this situation?
bigandclever said:
We can all make a citizen's arrest, no?
Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 stateA person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—
(a)anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;
(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence
In this case, I believe the PCSO is just following his training and could only wait for a fully trained constable
kurokawa said:
Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 state
A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—
(a)anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;
(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence
In this case, I believe the PCSO is just following his training and could only wait for a fully trained constable
And indictable offence is a key term...A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—
(a)anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;
(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence
In this case, I believe the PCSO is just following his training and could only wait for a fully trained constable
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