What’s the Speed limit on this Road?

[imquitethick]

Is this NSL road a 30 or 60?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/gZQgsC4LwSX1dwZd8?g_st=ic

If this part is a 30, can someone please tell me at what which the 30 limit starts at?

[Mammasaid]

imquitethick said:

Is this NSL road a 30 or 60?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/gZQgsC4LwSX1dwZd8?g_st=ic

If this part is a 30, can someone please tell me at what which the 30 limit starts at?

Going backwards from your link, it's NSL so 60mph in a car;

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7911584,-1.3352561...

[GreatGranny]

It's a NSL, see the signs on the road which joins the A40 at the junction.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.790248,-1.3481812,...

[PorkInsider]

GreatGranny said:

It's a NSL, see the signs on the road which joins the A40 at the junction.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.790248,-1.3481812,...

Yep.

Eynsham Road on Google Maps shows NSL joining at the lights.

[imquitethick]

Thanks both, but I thought it would have been 30mph limit on this NSL road due to their being street lights and it also being in a somewhat built up area.
There are a few bits on the A40 where there are street lights and areas where I would have thought the 30mph limit applied on the NSL sections.

[ScoobyChris]

It's NSL - if you turn right at the junction, you can see the 30mph gateway:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7901286,-1.3484164...

Chris

[imquitethick]

ScoobyChris said:

It's NSL - if you turn right at the junction, you can see the 30mph gateway:

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7901286,-1.3484164...

Chris

Thanks Chris
Couldn’t NSL also mean 30mph tho on this section of road. NSL doesn’t always mean 60 right?

[TheLoraxxZeus]

imquitethick said:

Thanks Chris
Couldn’t NSL also mean 30mph tho on this section of road. NSL doesn’t always mean 60 right?

60mph for single carriageway and 70mph for dual carriageway and motorways. It's one or the other.

[Mammasaid]

imquitethick said:

Thanks Chris
Couldn’t NSL also mean 30mph tho on this section of road. NSL doesn’t always mean 60 right?

Nope, because the road has a NSL set earlier where there's no lighting, if the limit was to change to 30, it would have to be via a 30 sign though,

It doesn't meet the definition of a Built-up area;

Section 82(1)(a) (of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 (RTRA 1984)) defines a restricted road in England and Wales as a road which is provided with "a system of street lighting furnished by means of lamps placed not more than 200 yards apart".

Edited by Mammasaid on Thursday 13th July 13:23

[LunarOne]

imquitethick said:

Thanks both, but I thought it would have been 30mph limit on this NSL road due to their being street lights and it also being in a somewhat built up area.
There are a few bits on the A40 where there are street lights and areas where I would have thought the 30mph limit applied on the NSL sections.

I've been forward and backwards from the point you mention and only see NSL signs and no built-up areas. The speed limit is 30 in the presence of street lights less than 200 yards apart unless signposted otherwise. And it IS signposted otherwise, because the NSL sign is there. Therefore the national speed limit applies, which is 60mph for a car or motorcycle, or unlimited for a bicycle.

[Pica-Pica]

If there are street lights (close together) then it is 30mph. However, I see no street lights - so it should be 60 mph (NSL) for a passenger car), unless signed otherwise, say 40 or 50.
When there are street lights close together (for example to light a junction), and the authorities do not want it to be 30mph, then there should be small repeater signs which show the intended limit (e.g. NSL, 50, 40 or whatever)

[ScoobyChris]

imquitethick said:

Thanks Chris
Couldn’t NSL also mean 30mph tho on this section of road. NSL doesn’t always mean 60 right?

Essentially, you'd need a 30mph sign to indicate the end of the NSL section. The point about street lighting is more about not needing repeaters in a 30mph zone.

If you are interested, reuglations are all documented in here (section 8) -> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...


Chris

[imquitethick]

Okay thank you both for clearing the confusion. I apologise if this annoying any of you, it’s just that I’m a new driver and don’t want to risk travelling at over the speed limit .

How about this part of the road slightly further down where there are no repeater signs and street lights close together?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3GZ9rZyS4BLz6hg36?g_st=ic

[martinbiz]

[quote=imquitethick]Okay thank you both for clearing the confusion. I apologise if this annoying any of you, it’s just that I’m a new driver and don’t want to risk travelling at over the speed limit .

How about this part of the road slightly further down where there are no repeater signs and street lights close together?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3GZ9rZyS4BLz6hg36?g_st=ic

[https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
/quote]

[Mammasaid]

imquitethick said:

Okay thank you both for clearing the confusion. I apologise if this annoying any of you, it’s just that I’m a new driver and don’t want to risk travelling at over the speed limit .

How about this part of the road slightly further down where there are no repeater signs and street lights close together?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3GZ9rZyS4BLz6hg36?g_st=ic

Still 60...

[Panamax]

martinbiz]mquitethick said:

Okay thank you both for clearing the confusion. I apologise if this annoying any of you, it’s just that I’m a new driver and don’t want to risk travelling at over the speed limit.

I know that road well. Your chance of exceeding any speed limit on it is pretty much zero. It used to be a fast road but increasing traffic over the years has slowed Oxford-Cheltenham to a dreary crawl.

But be careful on the Witney by-pass!

[LunarOne]

imquitethick said:

How about this part of the road slightly further down where there are no repeater signs and street lights close together?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3GZ9rZyS4BLz6hg36?g_st=ic

Still 60mph. The speed limit doesn't change JUST because street lights appear. There will be a large 30 sign to start the 30 limit. Also, roads typically don't go from NSL straight into a 30 - they tend to climb down to 40 for a bit and then drop to 30. But as there are no speed limit signs between there and your starting point, the speed limit for you in a car is 60mph the whole stretch. That doesn't mean it's safe to do 60mph, just that it's permissible if there are no other factors, such as traffic, poor weather, pedestrians, animals, slow-moving farm vehicles etc. etc.

[PorkInsider]

imquitethick said:

Okay thank you both for clearing the confusion. I apologise if this annoying any of you, it’s just that I’m a new driver and don’t want to risk travelling at over the speed limit .

How about this part of the road slightly further down where there are no repeater signs and street lights close together?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3GZ9rZyS4BLz6hg36?g_st=ic

It's not annoying - they're interesting questions.

It should be simple enough given the few rules that apply, but there's a lot of ambiguity now.

[E-bmw]

As everyone else has said, 60 & still 60.

If it were a 30 there would be signs at the start of the section & regular repeaters.

Although this sounds really pedantic, the lights are there to light the junction/roundabout not there as generic "street lighting".

Rule of thumb, if there is a change from NSL there will be a larger S/L sign followed by regular smaller repeaters.

[Pica-Pica]

E-bmw said:

As everyone else has said, 60 & still 60.

If it were a 30 there would be signs at the start of the section & regular repeaters.

Although this sounds really pedantic, the lights are there to light the junction/roundabout not there as generic "street lighting".

Rule of thumb, if there is a change from NSL there will be a larger S/L sign followed by regular smaller repeaters.

Except for a 30 limit with street lights, then there would be no repeaters.