Caught speeding
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A friend's daughter has just been caught speeding, twice, in 2 hours.
Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
The 1st one will probably get a SAC offer, however the 2nd is too fast for that and a FPN of 3pts and £100.
I'd be contacting a good motoring lawyer, like Agtlaw - https://www.counsel.direct/
I'd be contacting a good motoring lawyer, like Agtlaw - https://www.counsel.direct/
Catchme said:
A friend's daughter has just been caught speeding, twice, in 2 hours.
Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
The daughter.Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
Lets hope she does have her licence cancelled.
Catchme said:
A friend's daughter has just been caught speeding, twice, in 2 hours.
Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
She will be losing her full licence under the rules contained in the New Drivers Act when she receives 6 or more points for the two offences.Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
She will probably receive a fixed penalty for the first offence ( 3 points ) but the second one will be a court hearing - 4-6 points, a band C fine and there's a discretionary disqualification of 7-56 days that the court may decide to impose
I'd suggest that the driver contact someone like agtlaw who may be able to mitigate the damage but I think that she's going to be taking her test again.
Catchme said:
A friend's daughter has just been caught speeding, twice, in 2 hours.
Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
The first offence is likely to be a awareness course (assuming she hasn't done one before and it wasn't in Scotland?). Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
Second one is likely to be a ban of between seven and 56 days or six points. Plus a fine based on income.
A ban would mean she doesn't go back to her provisional status and have to do both theory and practical again as she wouldn't get any points. But I'd imagine her insurance would be through the roof.
Six points means back to provisional. Could get her licence back quickly but depends how long it takes to get a slot (and maybe a few lessons).
https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...
Rushjob said:
She will be losing her full licence under the rules contained in the New Drivers Act when she receives 6 or more points for the two offences.
She will probably receive a fixed penalty for the first offence ( 3 points ) but the second one will be a court hearing - 4-6 points, a band C fine and there's a discretionary disqualification of 7-56 days that the court may decide to impose
I'd suggest that the driver contact someone like agtlaw who may be able to mitigate the damage but I think that she's going to be taking her test again.
Why not a SAC for the first offence, there is no rule that says she can't I believe ?She will probably receive a fixed penalty for the first offence ( 3 points ) but the second one will be a court hearing - 4-6 points, a band C fine and there's a discretionary disqualification of 7-56 days that the court may decide to impose
I'd suggest that the driver contact someone like agtlaw who may be able to mitigate the damage but I think that she's going to be taking her test again.
Second one could bite though.
Gary C said:
Rushjob said:
She will be losing her full licence under the rules contained in the New Drivers Act when she receives 6 or more points for the two offences.
She will probably receive a fixed penalty for the first offence ( 3 points ) but the second one will be a court hearing - 4-6 points, a band C fine and there's a discretionary disqualification of 7-56 days that the court may decide to impose
I'd suggest that the driver contact someone like agtlaw who may be able to mitigate the damage but I think that she's going to be taking her test again.
Why not a SAC for the first offence, there is no rule that says she can't I believe ?She will probably receive a fixed penalty for the first offence ( 3 points ) but the second one will be a court hearing - 4-6 points, a band C fine and there's a discretionary disqualification of 7-56 days that the court may decide to impose
I'd suggest that the driver contact someone like agtlaw who may be able to mitigate the damage but I think that she's going to be taking her test again.
Second one could bite though.
The whole ethos of the SAC is a drive towards a reduction in reoffending, however this driver has reoffended before being offered a course!
Rushjob said:
True, if it were two offences 2 weeks apart, then she has a chance of the offer of a SAC. The problem is that before the offer goes out, the office will research her driver record and find two offences on the same day, with the second one being a straight to Court offence so, she has a chance, but it's a very slim one.
The whole ethos of the SAC is a drive towards a reduction in reoffending, however this driver has reoffended before being offered a course!
return the first one ASAP, and hold the second one as long as allowed ?The whole ethos of the SAC is a drive towards a reduction in reoffending, however this driver has reoffended before being offered a course!
Wonder if that would make any difference.
I can’t add much more than already written except, surely all new drivers know this 6 point risk, don’t they?
If she were my daughter/son, I would make sure she did extra lessons on passing her test, about ‘how to avoid getting 6 points’. (Whether they would listen, or take up the course is another matter).
If she were my daughter/son, I would make sure she did extra lessons on passing her test, about ‘how to avoid getting 6 points’. (Whether they would listen, or take up the course is another matter).
Rushjob said:
True, if it were two offences 2 weeks apart, then she has a chance of the offer of a SAC. The problem is that before the offer goes out, the office will research her driver record and find two offences on the same day, with the second one being a straight to Court offence so, she has a chance, but it's a very slim one.
The whole ethos of the SAC is a drive towards a reduction in reoffending, however this driver has reoffended before being offered a course!
So based on your logic a course would be beneficial...The whole ethos of the SAC is a drive towards a reduction in reoffending, however this driver has reoffended before being offered a course!
OP the above isn't true. As long as they haven't done one in the previous three years (excluding forces that don't do the national course) and within the speed threshold she'll be offered the course for the lower speed.
It doesn't matter if she has 11 points already, zero points, her licence for a day or or provisional licence. She could have done a course every three years and still be offered one.
I've stuck people on who have got caught twice in a week. I've even stopped someone the next day for speeding after I caught them and offered them a course (which they did still).
Isn't the OP asking if there needs to be sufficient time between offences in order to reflect on driving standards etc?
Am sure I've heard of 1 fine written off if it's two from the same camera in the space of half an hour? Or did I just make that up?
The 81 is definitely a problem though so it's probably a forlorn hope
Am sure I've heard of 1 fine written off if it's two from the same camera in the space of half an hour? Or did I just make that up?
The 81 is definitely a problem though so it's probably a forlorn hope
Catchme said:
A friend's daughter has just been caught speeding, twice, in 2 hours.
Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
Given she did 57 first time around suggest she was aware of the speed limit. Probably better off her learning a harsh lesson now, rather than an accident related one later, so hopefully a retake of a test is imposed.Details - both offences took place on the same stretch of Average Speed Check road with a 50mph speed limit. First time 57 mph, second time 81mph as per the NIPs.
Other pertinent info - the young lady has less than 2 years on her Full Licence.
We are looking at around 9 points, based on the totting up process - I understand that the 2-year rule for new drivers means an automatic cancellation of their licence and reapplication for a Provisional licence in order to retake the Theory/Practical tests.
Who should we be talking to regarding this. Is legal representation the way to go, or a website outlining the steps/punishments, etc? - I've not had any tickets in 40-odd years of driving so don't really have a clue regarding advice/support for this kind of thing.
Thanks in advance.
She could get a SAC for the first offence.
There's a very, very slim chance the Mags may give her 5 points and no ban (very unlikely though at that speed). Totally at their discretion. But that one will go to court.
She better start reading up on "Valid" hardship excuses and get good legal representation. It will be a LOT cheaper than the insurance premiums for future years if she has a ban on her record.
There's a very, very slim chance the Mags may give her 5 points and no ban (very unlikely though at that speed). Totally at their discretion. But that one will go to court.
She better start reading up on "Valid" hardship excuses and get good legal representation. It will be a LOT cheaper than the insurance premiums for future years if she has a ban on her record.
ridds said:
She could get a SAC for the first offence.
There's a very, very slim chance the Mags may give her 5 points and no ban (very unlikely though at that speed). Totally at their discretion. But that one will go to court.
She better start reading up on "Valid" hardship excuses and get good legal representation. It will be a LOT cheaper than the insurance premiums for future years if she has a ban on her record.
Exceptional hardship can be used in mitigating against a totting up ban, not against revocationThere's a very, very slim chance the Mags may give her 5 points and no ban (very unlikely though at that speed). Totally at their discretion. But that one will go to court.
She better start reading up on "Valid" hardship excuses and get good legal representation. It will be a LOT cheaper than the insurance premiums for future years if she has a ban on her record.
johnboy1975 said:
Isn't the OP asking if there needs to be sufficient time between offences in order to reflect on driving standards etc?
Am sure I've heard of 1 fine written off if it's two from the same camera in the space of half an hour? Or did I just make that up?
The 81 is definitely a problem though so it's probably a forlorn hope
Only if they can be convinced that it should be treated as one continuous offence, ie passing 2 cameras on the same stretch of road without deviation or stops. Passing the same camera twice by definition is unlikely to be accepted as a continuous journey and therefore a continuous offence Am sure I've heard of 1 fine written off if it's two from the same camera in the space of half an hour? Or did I just make that up?
The 81 is definitely a problem though so it's probably a forlorn hope
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