Speed limit compliance
Discussion
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/vehicle-s...
For those that love to misuse statistics.
Fill yah boots with the government's own figures.
But remember correlation does not always equal causation.
For those that love to misuse statistics.
Fill yah boots with the government's own figures.
But remember correlation does not always equal causation.
PH Speed Matters (on public roads): only 10% speed-related fatalities! That’s nothing we cry! Let’s speed!
PH Speed Matters (on public roads): Everyone, my wife was killed by a nutjob speeding last night and he crashed into her.
PH Speed Matters (on public roads): Let’s hang him! Sue him! Jail time! Death penalty!
Yep, it’s only 10% until it’s someone close to you…
Stop speeding!
PH Speed Matters (on public roads): Everyone, my wife was killed by a nutjob speeding last night and he crashed into her.
PH Speed Matters (on public roads): Let’s hang him! Sue him! Jail time! Death penalty!
Yep, it’s only 10% until it’s someone close to you…
Stop speeding!
I'm surprised that speeding is only a contributory factor in 10% of fatalities (did I read that right) ? And that will be skewed by the motorcycle stats which I assume are a lot of single vehicle incidents.
I think they really do have the priority and public messaging all wrong. Many people seam to equate bad driving almost exclusively to speeding. I guess that's because its easy and can be automated. We need to get more focus on driving standards generally as well as drugs etc. Won't happen though until AI or something enables automation of general policing of driving automatically.
I think they really do have the priority and public messaging all wrong. Many people seam to equate bad driving almost exclusively to speeding. I guess that's because its easy and can be automated. We need to get more focus on driving standards generally as well as drugs etc. Won't happen though until AI or something enables automation of general policing of driving automatically.
We should not speed, and speeding should be socially unacceptable.
Why is one individual's time more important that another individual's life/health?
You may be a driving god (don't we all think we are) and that you will never have an accident but we all see evidence of drivers who are clearly not.
Until we have general compliance with the limits there will be no route to argue that limits should be increased - cause people don't stick to them anyway . . .
Leave earlier. If you want to go faster book a track day.
Maybe a little hypocritical as I am rarely under the limit but never over it by much.
Why is one individual's time more important that another individual's life/health?
You may be a driving god (don't we all think we are) and that you will never have an accident but we all see evidence of drivers who are clearly not.
Until we have general compliance with the limits there will be no route to argue that limits should be increased - cause people don't stick to them anyway . . .
Leave earlier. If you want to go faster book a track day.
Maybe a little hypocritical as I am rarely under the limit but never over it by much.
QuartzDad said:
I do love a good stat.
Ones that jumped out from a quick skim; 98% increase in speeding offences since 2011, only ~10% of fatal car collisions have speeding recorded as a contributing factor and nobody does 20 in a 20.
Ones that jumped out from a quick skim; 98% increase in speeding offences since 2011, only ~10% of fatal car collisions have speeding recorded as a contributing factor and nobody does 20 in a 20.
Please immediately attend your nearest citizen's re-education centre, comrade.
IJWS15 said:
We should not speed, and speeding should be socially unacceptable.
Why is one individual's time more important that another individual's life/health?
You may be a driving god (don't we all think we are) and that you will never have an accident but we all see evidence of drivers who are clearly not.
Until we have general compliance with the limits there will be no route to argue that limits should be increased - cause people don't stick to them anyway . . .
Leave earlier. If you want to go faster book a track day.
Maybe a little hypocritical as I am rarely under the limit but never over it by much.
I always find this style of argument curious.Why is one individual's time more important that another individual's life/health?
You may be a driving god (don't we all think we are) and that you will never have an accident but we all see evidence of drivers who are clearly not.
Until we have general compliance with the limits there will be no route to argue that limits should be increased - cause people don't stick to them anyway . . .
Leave earlier. If you want to go faster book a track day.
Maybe a little hypocritical as I am rarely under the limit but never over it by much.
I don't speed to "get there quicker". I don't ever leave late, and I don't think I've ever sped to try and get somewhere on time - if I have it's 0.000000000000001% of the times I speed.
You are also using a fairly binary view. I speed sometimes - although I am selective where I do that, and don't do it in towns. But I do not speed / drive anything like I would on a trackday.
IJWS15 said:
We should not speed, and speeding should be socially unacceptable.
Why is one individual's time more important that another individual's life/health?
You may be a driving god (don't we all think we are) and that you will never have an accident but we all see evidence of drivers who are clearly not.
Until we have general compliance with the limits there will be no route to argue that limits should be increased - cause people don't stick to them anyway . . .
Leave earlier. If you want to go faster book a track day.
Maybe a little hypocritical as I am rarely under the limit but never over it by much.
Good example. When people say speeding should be socially unacceptable.... I'd expect that they mean poor driving standards should be unacceptable. Why is one individual's time more important that another individual's life/health?
You may be a driving god (don't we all think we are) and that you will never have an accident but we all see evidence of drivers who are clearly not.
Until we have general compliance with the limits there will be no route to argue that limits should be increased - cause people don't stick to them anyway . . .
Leave earlier. If you want to go faster book a track day.
Maybe a little hypocritical as I am rarely under the limit but never over it by much.
I also guess the figures in the report give some insight into the general perception of people with regards to speeding.
As I said earlier, its a major failing in policy and messaging which has managed to create confusion over what is expected of drivers / riders.
QuartzDad said:
I do love a good stat.
Ones that jumped out from a quick skim; 98% increase in speeding offences since 2011, only ~10% of fatal car collisions have speeding recorded as a contributing factor and nobody does 20 in a 20.
98% increase in speeding offences since 2011 does not necessarily mean more instances of speeding but rather an increase in detection? Ones that jumped out from a quick skim; 98% increase in speeding offences since 2011, only ~10% of fatal car collisions have speeding recorded as a contributing factor and nobody does 20 in a 20.
Hungrymc said:
Good example. When people say speeding should be socially unacceptable.... I'd expect that they mean poor driving standards should be unacceptable.
I also guess the figures in the report give some insight into the general perception of people with regards to speeding.
As I said earlier, its a major failing in policy and messaging which has managed to create confusion over what is expected of drivers / riders.
I usually drive at or under the speed limit. However, I'm continually dismayed by the number of roads which seem to me to have speed limits set too low for sensible drivers. Most of them I've driven before and the limit has been reduced since then, it happens much more now that speed limits are set by councils, and therefore by the people who live on those roads. It only takes a few people to start complaining about 'people speeding' for a community to start hassling their council/councillors, plus it's the easiest response to any road volume/traffic concerns. Roads that were 40 (and had been for ages, quite sensibly) are becoming 30 because there's a row of houses on them. Many estates are becoming 20 just because they can. 60s are becoming 50s (Cumbria/Yorkshire seem to be doing this a lot), even dual carriageways are now 50s and guess what, when they do roadworks these then become 40s or even 30s because 'speed limit in place for saftey reasons'. Its a load of nonsense and we know it is, and I for one have no intention of compliance with stupid rules made by stupid people for stupid reasons.I also guess the figures in the report give some insight into the general perception of people with regards to speeding.
As I said earlier, its a major failing in policy and messaging which has managed to create confusion over what is expected of drivers / riders.
IJWS15 said:
We should not speed, and speeding should be socially unacceptable.
Speeding will never be socially unacceptable until realistic speed limits are set. Nearly 50% of people when speeding in 20MPH limits consider them to be inappropriate.
My county council has a policy of reducing speed limits, even where there are no changes to the road conditions. A local road was correctly designed to be NSL, but it has been reduced to 40. Another has reduced from NSL to 30, so you could once drive a 1960s car at 70mph, but in today's equivalent with hugely improved active and passive safety, I have to stick to 30. In both cases the average speed has reduced a little, but the adjacent 30 and 40 limits have seen an INCREASE in average speed as there is no longer a change of speed limit reminding drivers of a change in conditions.
PhyllisOphical said:
Another has reduced from NSL to 30, so you could once drive a 1960s car at 70mph, but in today's equivalent with hugely improved active and passive safety, I have to stick to 30.
A classic case is the end of the M40/A40 elevated motorway between Shepherds Bush and the Edgware Road. It's completely bizarre.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff