Quick MOT question re expiry date
Quick MOT question re expiry date
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jondude

Original Poster:

2,429 posts

239 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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I have lost my certificate but the online check says your MOT expires Sep 5th. Does that mean Sep 5th is included and I can drive that day without worry?

I am presuming it does as the MOT check says date of MOT Sep 6th, 2022, so the year must end at a second after midnight on the 5th?

Or what say ye?

TheDrownedApe

1,584 posts

78 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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20 sec of googling:

"Your MOT is valid until midnight on its expiry date"

pfff

Edited by TheDrownedApe on Thursday 31st August 14:53

jondude

Original Poster:

2,429 posts

239 months

Thursday 31st August 2023
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TheDrownedApe said:
20 sec of googling:

"Your MOT is valid until midnight on its expiry date"

pfff

Edited by TheDrownedApe on Thursday 31st August 14:53
biggrin Thanks though, is good to know. Booked in now, all swell.

Mave

8,216 posts

237 months

Friday 1st September 2023
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So that means it's invalid for the date in question right? Which is odd. Thought it would have said 23:59 of the day in question (which is what my insurance certificate said). Midnight is first thing in the morning, not last thing at night...

anonymous-user

76 months

Friday 1st September 2023
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And cue 22 pages of mindless arguing.

Short Grain

3,419 posts

242 months

Friday 1st September 2023
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pocketspring said:
And cue 22 pages of mindless arguing.
No there won't

E-bmw

12,093 posts

174 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Mave said:
So that means it's invalid for the date in question right? Which is odd. Thought it would have said 23:59 of the day in question (which is what my insurance certificate said). Midnight is first thing in the morning, not last thing at night...
You are talking semantics.

The MOT runs out when the date changes for 22nd to 23rd (for arguments sake) call it 23:59 or call it 00:00 it runs out as the date changes not when the time changes.

Alickadoo

3,288 posts

45 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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E-bmw said:
Mave said:
So that means it's invalid for the date in question right? Which is odd. Thought it would have said 23:59 of the day in question (which is what my insurance certificate said). Midnight is first thing in the morning, not last thing at night...
You are talking semantics.

The MOT runs out when the date changes for 22nd to 23rd (for arguments sake) call it 23:59 or call it 00:00 it runs out as the date changes not when the time changes.
Could you run that past me just one more time, please?

Mave

8,216 posts

237 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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E-bmw said:
You are talking semantics.

The MOT runs out when the date changes for 22nd to 23rd (for arguments sake) call it 23:59 or call it 00:00 it runs out as the date changes not when the time changes.
I'm talking about the gov website not saying what I think it's actually trying to day.

It doesn't say the MOT runs out when the date changes. It says it's valid until a time on a date.

If it says it is valid until midday of 5th, you wouldn't expect it to be valid in the afternoon, would you? Midnight is the beginning of the day, not the end of the day.

E-bmw

12,093 posts

174 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Alickadoo said:
E-bmw said:
Mave said:
So that means it's invalid for the date in question right? Which is odd. Thought it would have said 23:59 of the day in question (which is what my insurance certificate said). Midnight is first thing in the morning, not last thing at night...
You are talking semantics.

The MOT runs out when the date changes for 22nd to 23rd (for arguments sake) call it 23:59 or call it 00:00 it runs out as the date changes not when the time changes.
Could you run that past me just one more time, please?
It is really very simple when the date passes that your MOT is valid until, it has run out.

See attached.

Tested on 7 June, so expires 6 June & needs retesting by the 6th June the next year or it has expired.


E-bmw

12,093 posts

174 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Mave said:
E-bmw said:
You are talking semantics.

The MOT runs out when the date changes for 22nd to 23rd (for arguments sake) call it 23:59 or call it 00:00 it runs out as the date changes not when the time changes.
I'm talking about the gov website not saying what I think it's actually trying to day.

It doesn't say the MOT runs out when the date changes. It says it's valid until a time on a date.

If it says it is valid until midday of 5th, you wouldn't expect it to be valid in the afternoon, would you? Midnight is the beginning of the day, not the end of the day.
See next answer, it does not say a time, just a date.

Pica-Pica

15,922 posts

106 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Just to help OP, I have raised this question with the MOT dept.

limpsfield

6,554 posts

275 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Answered very quickly but I would also wager on a few more pages of “yeah, but”.

It’s not that hard is it?

anonymous-user

76 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Short Grain said:
pocketspring said:
And cue 22 pages of mindless arguing.
No there won't
We'll get there.

Pica-Pica

15,922 posts

106 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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pocketspring said:
Short Grain said:
pocketspring said:
And cue 22 pages of mindless arguing.
No there won't
We'll get there.
No - a never-ending journey.

MustangGT

13,648 posts

302 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Mave said:
So that means it's invalid for the date in question right? Which is odd. Thought it would have said 23:59 of the day in question (which is what my insurance certificate said). Midnight is first thing in the morning, not last thing at night...
Not at all. For it to be valid until midnight on the date of expiry it must be valid on the date of expiry, or it would have expired the day before.

Why would you think midnight is the beginning of the day? 00:00:01 is the beginning of the day.

Mave

8,216 posts

237 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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MustangGT said:
Mave said:
So that means it's invalid for the date in question right? Which is odd. Thought it would have said 23:59 of the day in question (which is what my insurance certificate said). Midnight is first thing in the morning, not last thing at night...
Not at all. For it to be valid until midnight on the date of expiry it must be valid on the date of expiry, or it would have expired the day before.

Why would you think midnight is the beginning of the day? 00:00:01 is the beginning of the day.
Wikipedia says https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight

Or try googling "does a new day start at midnight or 12:01"


https://www.google.com/search?q=does+a+new+day+sta...


Mave

8,216 posts

237 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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E-bmw said:
Mave said:
E-bmw said:
You are talking semantics.

The MOT runs out when the date changes for 22nd to 23rd (for arguments sake) call it 23:59 or call it 00:00 it runs out as the date changes not when the time changes.
I'm talking about the gov website not saying what I think it's actually trying to day.

It doesn't say the MOT runs out when the date changes. It says it's valid until a time on a date.

If it says it is valid until midday of 5th, you wouldn't expect it to be valid in the afternoon, would you? Midnight is the beginning of the day, not the end of the day.
See next answer, it does not say a time, just a date.
Are you saying that midnight isn't a time?

anonymous-user

76 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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Pica-Pica said:
pocketspring said:
Short Grain said:
pocketspring said:
And cue 22 pages of mindless arguing.
No there won't
We'll get there.
No - a never-ending journey.

Mave

8,216 posts

237 months

Saturday 2nd September 2023
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pocketspring said:
Pica-Pica said:
pocketspring said:
Short Grain said:
pocketspring said:
And cue 22 pages of mindless arguing.
No there won't
We'll get there.
No - a never-ending journey.
smile