3 NIPs in 3 days: Will I be offered a SAC for the first one?
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Yesterday, I returned home from a holiday to find three suspicious brown envelopes in my mail. Upon opening them, to my delight, I found three NIPs for speeding. At first, I thought it might be a computer glitch because all three are for doing 46mph in a 40 zone at the exact same location. Wishful thinking by me - they are for three consecutive days in August, just after 5 am each time.
The location is a dual carriageway where the speed limit drops from 50 to 40mph about half a mile before a roundabout. I suspect I was caught out by not slowing quickly enough as I entered the 40 zone, i.e. I was slowing down to 40mph as I entered the 40 zone but left it slightly too late. This is within Greater London so the Met Police are the relevant plod.
I have no points on my licence - the last time was 3 points about 20 years ago. I also did a Speed Awareness Course around 15 years ago. I was thinking I would return the first NIP form this week and return the other two next week - still within the 28 day limit.
My question: If I complete and return the NIP form for the first offence - am I likely to be offered a SAC? Will they just look at my licence history and offer me the SAC? Or will they also take into account the other two pending offences?
I can live with 6 points but 9 points is one offence away from a potential ban. I am now thinking I might sell my motor and my house and move to the Scilly Isles where these problems do not exist!
Edited to add:
Turns out I was wrong about the Scilly Isles
The location is a dual carriageway where the speed limit drops from 50 to 40mph about half a mile before a roundabout. I suspect I was caught out by not slowing quickly enough as I entered the 40 zone, i.e. I was slowing down to 40mph as I entered the 40 zone but left it slightly too late. This is within Greater London so the Met Police are the relevant plod.
I have no points on my licence - the last time was 3 points about 20 years ago. I also did a Speed Awareness Course around 15 years ago. I was thinking I would return the first NIP form this week and return the other two next week - still within the 28 day limit.
My question: If I complete and return the NIP form for the first offence - am I likely to be offered a SAC? Will they just look at my licence history and offer me the SAC? Or will they also take into account the other two pending offences?
I can live with 6 points but 9 points is one offence away from a potential ban. I am now thinking I might sell my motor and my house and move to the Scilly Isles where these problems do not exist!
Edited to add:
Turns out I was wrong about the Scilly Isles
Edited by Carloss Fandango on Wednesday 6th September 09:52
Sadly you were between 1 and 2 mph over the prosecution threshold in all three cases.
When they quote 46 mph, it was between 46 and 47, they always round down.
In general, they don't prosecute at 10% plus 1 mph, but they do start at 10% + 2 mph.
I always thought you were safe at 10% + 2 - WRONG.
I too have an SCA and 3 points for 3 x 10% +2.
So I am not aiming my comments at yourself, OP, but at others who read this thread and previously thought they were safe at 10% +2.
When they quote 46 mph, it was between 46 and 47, they always round down.
In general, they don't prosecute at 10% plus 1 mph, but they do start at 10% + 2 mph.
I always thought you were safe at 10% + 2 - WRONG.
I too have an SCA and 3 points for 3 x 10% +2.
So I am not aiming my comments at yourself, OP, but at others who read this thread and previously thought they were safe at 10% +2.
QBee said:
Sadly you were between 1 and 2 mph over the prosecution threshold in all three cases.
When they quote 46 mph, it was between 46 and 47, they always round down.
In general, they don't prosecute at 10% plus 1 mph, but they do start at 10% + 2 mph.
I always thought you were safe at 10% + 2 - WRONG.
I too have an SCA and 3 points for 3 x 10% +2.
So I am not aiming my comments at yourself, OP, but at others who read this thread and previously thought they were safe at 10% +2.
There are couple of forces using 10% + 3 as the threshold, but the pragmatic approach would be to assume the +2 threshold applies everywhere and you will be safe When they quote 46 mph, it was between 46 and 47, they always round down.
In general, they don't prosecute at 10% plus 1 mph, but they do start at 10% + 2 mph.
I always thought you were safe at 10% + 2 - WRONG.
I too have an SCA and 3 points for 3 x 10% +2.
So I am not aiming my comments at yourself, OP, but at others who read this thread and previously thought they were safe at 10% +2.
Carloss Fandango said:
Yesterday, I returned home from a holiday to find three suspicious brown envelopes in my mail. Upon opening them, to my delight, I found three NIPs for speeding. At first, I thought it might be a computer glitch because all three are for doing 46mph in a 40 zone at the exact same location. Wishful thinking by me - they are for three consecutive days in August, just after 5 am each time.
The location is a dual carriageway where the speed limit drops from 50 to 40mph about half a mile before a roundabout. I suspect I was caught out by not slowing quickly enough as I entered the 40 zone, i.e. I was slowing down to 40mph as I entered the 40 zone but left it slightly too late. This is within Greater London so the Met Police are the relevant plod.
I have no points on my licence - the last time was 3 points about 20 years ago. I also did a Speed Awareness Course around 15 years ago. I was thinking I would return the first NIP form this week and return the other two next week - still within the 28 day limit.
My question: If I complete and return the NIP form for the first offence - am I likely to be offered a SAC? Will they just look at my licence history and offer me the SAC? Or will they also take into account the other two pending offences?
I can live with 6 points but 9 points is one offence away from a potential ban. I am now thinking I might sell my motor and my house and move to the Scilly Isles where these problems do not exist!
Edited to add:
Turns out I was wrong about the Scilly Isles
Where they all for the same location?The location is a dual carriageway where the speed limit drops from 50 to 40mph about half a mile before a roundabout. I suspect I was caught out by not slowing quickly enough as I entered the 40 zone, i.e. I was slowing down to 40mph as I entered the 40 zone but left it slightly too late. This is within Greater London so the Met Police are the relevant plod.
I have no points on my licence - the last time was 3 points about 20 years ago. I also did a Speed Awareness Course around 15 years ago. I was thinking I would return the first NIP form this week and return the other two next week - still within the 28 day limit.
My question: If I complete and return the NIP form for the first offence - am I likely to be offered a SAC? Will they just look at my licence history and offer me the SAC? Or will they also take into account the other two pending offences?
I can live with 6 points but 9 points is one offence away from a potential ban. I am now thinking I might sell my motor and my house and move to the Scilly Isles where these problems do not exist!
Edited to add:
Turns out I was wrong about the Scilly Isles
Edited by Carloss Fandango on Wednesday 6th September 09:52
Is it possible for the OP to get all three penalties considered as one offence, given they're identical offences on consecutive days and he'd have no opportunity to realise he was being prosecuted before committing the consequent offences?
It seems hugely disproportionate to be at risk of a ban for such petty speeding - if he'd driven down a fourth time would he lose his licence immediately?
This kind of stuff pisses me off because a couple of years ago my wife was waiting to turn off a main road when a lady, on a wide, straight road in broad daylight, ploughed into the back of her, breaking a couple of my wife's ribs. Try as we might, despite such a clear case of someone clearly incapable of driving safely or responsibly, we could not get the police interested in prosecuting the woman.
And yet the OP is within reach of a ban for basically nothing.
It seems hugely disproportionate to be at risk of a ban for such petty speeding - if he'd driven down a fourth time would he lose his licence immediately?
This kind of stuff pisses me off because a couple of years ago my wife was waiting to turn off a main road when a lady, on a wide, straight road in broad daylight, ploughed into the back of her, breaking a couple of my wife's ribs. Try as we might, despite such a clear case of someone clearly incapable of driving safely or responsibly, we could not get the police interested in prosecuting the woman.
And yet the OP is within reach of a ban for basically nothing.
NDNDNDND said:
Is it possible for the OP to get all three penalties considered as one offence, given they're identical offences on consecutive days and he'd have no opportunity to realise he was being prosecuted before committing the consequent offences?
It seems hugely disproportionate to be at risk of a ban for such petty speeding - if he'd driven down a fourth time would he lose his licence immediately?
This kind of stuff pisses me off because a couple of years ago my wife was waiting to turn off a main road when a lady, on a wide, straight road in broad daylight, ploughed into the back of her, breaking a couple of my wife's ribs. Try as we might, despite such a clear case of someone clearly incapable of driving safely or responsibly, we could not get the police interested in prosecuting the woman.
And yet the OP is within reach of a ban for basically nothing.
No it wouldn't be considered as one offence, OP has done it on three separate days, so three separate offences. It seems hugely disproportionate to be at risk of a ban for such petty speeding - if he'd driven down a fourth time would he lose his licence immediately?
This kind of stuff pisses me off because a couple of years ago my wife was waiting to turn off a main road when a lady, on a wide, straight road in broad daylight, ploughed into the back of her, breaking a couple of my wife's ribs. Try as we might, despite such a clear case of someone clearly incapable of driving safely or responsibly, we could not get the police interested in prosecuting the woman.
And yet the OP is within reach of a ban for basically nothing.
If the OP had done it on a fourth day he would be required to go to court and would have to plead the case to a magistrate.
theplayingmantis said:
is there not something where you can be done a number of times but have it treated as on if it on the same stretch of road at the same time or something, or have i completed invented that. (not saying this applies here)
I believe that this is true if you go through 3 speed cameras in sequence on the same road, one after the other, same day, same journey. Not if you fail to read the speed limit signs on 3 consecutive days.
QBee said:
I believe that this is true if you go through 3 speed cameras in sequence on the same road, one after the other, same day, same journey.
Not if you fail to read the speed limit signs on 3 consecutive days.
thanks, anyone know what it's called, if it has a name? as per my brackets i know not applicable here.Not if you fail to read the speed limit signs on 3 consecutive days.
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