RT88575 RT88576 nuances?
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cootuk

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918 posts

145 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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Given both these offences attract 3 points and £100 fine, what is the nuanced difference between "driving without due care and attention" and "driving without due consideration for others"?

I was looking at Operation Snap details for my area.
Offences by vehicles against other vehicles seem to get without due care and attention, whilst cyclists/pedestrians/horse riders ( the more vulnerable road users) the offending driver appears to mostly get without due consideration?

Is that all?

Edited by cootuk on Monday 18th September 15:51

agtlaw

7,275 posts

228 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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These are careless driving offences; see s.3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988.

Driving without reasonable consideration (inconsiderate driving) requires proof that another road user was inconvenienced. Driving without due care and attention does not.

agtlaw

7,275 posts

228 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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cootuk said:
Given both these offences attract 3 points and £100 fine,
That’s a fixed penalty, not a fine.

Unlimited fine. 3-9 points or a discretionary disqualification.

sospan

2,755 posts

244 months

Monday 18th September 2023
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A few years ago I took a call in our Ops room about a horsebox being driven slowly with a LONG queue behind. No attempt to pull over to allow the queue to pass. We got a car to intercept and pull the horsebox into a lay-by. There was a queue of dozens of vehicles behind. The driver was given a fixed penalty fine for inconsiderate driving. Failing to pull in to let the queue behind pass. This had gone on for several miles with many opportunities to pull over. Driving at 30mph on NSL/50 stretches but lots of bends.
Some vehicles had taken risky moves to overtake with near misses and braking by other vehicles. These were probably in the “due care and attention “ type and luckily nothing serioys happened.