Speed Camera Pics : Opinion
Discussion
Would welcome views / opinions on whether its worth challenging a NIP based on the photos attached.
First photo, taken at 400 metres alleges that the car is travelling at 35 mph but registration plate is barely legible, the camera cross-hairs are not fixed on the car and their appears to be foilage in the line of sight.
Second photo is much closer, clearer and shows a speed < 30 mph.
Does the camera van take an accompanying video or is it simply based on 2 photos.
First photo, taken at 400 metres alleges that the car is travelling at 35 mph but registration plate is barely legible, the camera cross-hairs are not fixed on the car and their appears to be foilage in the line of sight.
Second photo is much closer, clearer and shows a speed < 30 mph.
Does the camera van take an accompanying video or is it simply based on 2 photos.
Dunno about the challenge but was the van sat outside the 30mph? Or was that 30 a repeater?
We've had a van sat outside our house (40mph) and pointing into the 30 zone 100 yards down the road. Wondered if he's pinging cars that are doing more than 30 in the 30 or whether he's only allowed to ping the cars in the 40 zone. Or both?
7 days into the 14 day wait...
We've had a van sat outside our house (40mph) and pointing into the 30 zone 100 yards down the road. Wondered if he's pinging cars that are doing more than 30 in the 30 or whether he's only allowed to ping the cars in the 40 zone. Or both?
7 days into the 14 day wait...
rdj001 said:
Would welcome views / opinions on whether its worth challenging a NIP based on the photos attached.
First photo, taken at 400 metres alleges that the car is travelling at 35 mph but registration plate is barely legible, the camera cross-hairs are not fixed on the car and their appears to be foilage in the line of sight.
Second photo is much closer, clearer and shows a speed < 30 mph.
Does the camera van take an accompanying video or is it simply based on 2 photos.
From my understanding. First photo is it showing you above the speed limit. There will then be a video of it following you until your number plate is readable. This is almost always after the driver has seen the van and braked. First photo, taken at 400 metres alleges that the car is travelling at 35 mph but registration plate is barely legible, the camera cross-hairs are not fixed on the car and their appears to be foilage in the line of sight.
Second photo is much closer, clearer and shows a speed < 30 mph.
Does the camera van take an accompanying video or is it simply based on 2 photos.
If there is something in the way, it wouldn't give a reading (at least the handheld ones don't. I assume its the same technology in the vans).
Crosshairs I don't know. I can only assume that its taking your reading and then they've moved away so it doesn't take the reading again.
I would say it depends how hard you want to fight it.
Can you work out if the 400m is possible? i.e. is that about right for where you were, from the van was. I realise that isn't going to be spot on, but lets say for instance that that tree is 400m from the van, that might be interesting.
The video would be interesting, but you probably have to go to court to get that.
On the face of it the money shot isn't pinging your car.
If the reflection *IS* off your car, then the cross hairs aren't aligned with the beam.
It is a fine point, but the cross hairs are below the car - which wouldn't then give a reflection.
It is a technical defence, and would be an uphill struggle.
Worth running this by peppipo.
ETA: Fundamental question: Do you think you were speeding in the 30 zone? I sort of made the assumption you didn't think you were, rather than just looking for a way out.
Can you work out if the 400m is possible? i.e. is that about right for where you were, from the van was. I realise that isn't going to be spot on, but lets say for instance that that tree is 400m from the van, that might be interesting.
The video would be interesting, but you probably have to go to court to get that.
On the face of it the money shot isn't pinging your car.
If the reflection *IS* off your car, then the cross hairs aren't aligned with the beam.
It is a fine point, but the cross hairs are below the car - which wouldn't then give a reflection.
It is a technical defence, and would be an uphill struggle.
Worth running this by peppipo.
ETA: Fundamental question: Do you think you were speeding in the 30 zone? I sort of made the assumption you didn't think you were, rather than just looking for a way out.
Edited by No ideas for a name on Tuesday 10th October 21:04
Is it me or is there the cars shadow and a leaf connected to the other leaves directly in the crosshair?
I see one directly on crosshair center, one to it's left and 2 beneath (also one to right with cars shadow masking it at first glance) now I look.
Could that help him at all?
Also OP, could it be that the leaf is 400m and you had been much further away?
I see one directly on crosshair center, one to it's left and 2 beneath (also one to right with cars shadow masking it at first glance) now I look.
No ideas for a name said:
I would say it depends how hard you want to fight it.
Can you work out if the 400m is possible? i.e. is that about right for where you were, from the van was. I realise that isn't going to be spot on, but lets say for instance that that tree is 400m from the van, that might be interesting.
The video would be interesting, but you probably have to go to court to get that.
On the face of it the money shot isn't pinging your car.
If the reflection *IS* off your car, then the cross hairs aren't aligned with the beam.
It is a fine point, but the cross hairs are below the car - which wouldn't then give a reflection.
It is a technical defence, and would be an uphill struggle.
Worth running this by peppipo.
I think it is a leaf directly on crosshair and reading is of leaf and tarmac behind it. Can you work out if the 400m is possible? i.e. is that about right for where you were, from the van was. I realise that isn't going to be spot on, but lets say for instance that that tree is 400m from the van, that might be interesting.
The video would be interesting, but you probably have to go to court to get that.
On the face of it the money shot isn't pinging your car.
If the reflection *IS* off your car, then the cross hairs aren't aligned with the beam.
It is a fine point, but the cross hairs are below the car - which wouldn't then give a reflection.
It is a technical defence, and would be an uphill struggle.
Worth running this by peppipo.
Could that help him at all?
Also OP, could it be that the leaf is 400m and you had been much further away?
Edited by NFT on Tuesday 10th October 23:48
It's a digital video isn't it? So there will be a constant view of the vehicle prior to, and after the stills have been taken.
So regardless of the crosshairs, I'd place a few quid that the top photo is a still taken just after the crosshairs were dead centre on the vehicle front, all that still shows is the speed, then the video will follow the car in order to get the reg number.
Bang to rights IMO.
So regardless of the crosshairs, I'd place a few quid that the top photo is a still taken just after the crosshairs were dead centre on the vehicle front, all that still shows is the speed, then the video will follow the car in order to get the reg number.
Bang to rights IMO.
Yeah I'd assume that the vans have a video with it recording your speed for the entire distance rather than a one shot photo type deal. If I knew that I was doing less than 30 for the whole distance for certain I would contest it because the video would show 30 - leaf structure speeding 
- 30, but I know that I wouldn't have been doing 30 so I'd just suck it up.
- 30, but I know that I wouldn't have been doing 30 so I'd just suck it up.nordboy said:
It's a digital video isn't it? So there will be a constant view of the vehicle prior to, and after the stills have been taken.
So regardless of the crosshairs, I'd place a few quid that the top photo is a still taken just after the crosshairs were dead centre on the vehicle front, all that still shows is the speed, then the video will follow the car in order to get the reg number.
Bang to rights IMO.
It's a video. The stills posted above were taken from the video. The video will very likely show a bit before and after the stills.So regardless of the crosshairs, I'd place a few quid that the top photo is a still taken just after the crosshairs were dead centre on the vehicle front, all that still shows is the speed, then the video will follow the car in order to get the reg number.
Bang to rights IMO.
My back of an envelope calculation is 29 mph average speed.
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