Can I drive here?

[Hondashark]

There is a cut through that I'm not sure if I can use. The sign has one of the blue circles with a Bike, bus and taxi on but painted on the floor is "Bus and Access only".
I am going to the Salvation Army building but is that classed as access? The signs make no indication of other allowances over the Blue circle.

It's monitored by a camera but i have driven it with no repercussion as the camera seems to mostly watch the return as that is definitely busses only.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Yeah you're fine.

ETA "Access only" means it is essentially unenforcable by camera. Anyone may need access, so if they were giving tickets out by camera, they would need a huge team of people to handle the appeals - and no local authority will do that. Also, the exit is signed for Salvation Army, and the road says Access Only - and you require access to the SA, so even if you DID get a ticket - which you won't - then you would have an instant appeal winner.

Edited by Rusty Old-Banger on Tuesday 17th October 13:26

[Krikkit]

Technically no - you don't need access. But practically, crack on.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Krikkit said:

Technically no - you don't need access. But practically, crack on.

The upright sign guides anyone - not just buses/taxis - to the SA. That is what is covered by "Access Only". If you're getting in to techicalities, then the destinations shouldn't be on the same sign as the blue circle, but the sign shows the route, and the road marking allows access to those destinations.

[Zeeky]

The sign is definitive. The paint is to assist.

[Hondashark]

Just to add you can go round to access the same destination it's just that the cut through saves about a minute.

[qwerty360]

I would guess that you can go to the Salvation Army or Hotel, but immediately beyond them is a bus gate for traffic in that direction.

So you can take the turning, but will get stuck if you aren't either going to the hotel or Salvation Army.

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Zeeky said:

The sign is definitive. The paint is to assist.

Yes but it renders the sign effectively unenforcable by camera due to ambiguity. If the destinations mentioned on the sign were not to be reached by their patronage using that specific route, then the signing would/should be changed to definitively state that. The OP wants access to the SA. He is doing nothing wrong by accessing it along there. My caveat is that I am taking the image at face value, and I do not know where it is, so can't see if there is any advanced signing stating that the "access only" part does not apply.

I've put in dozens of bus lanes, including enforcement by cameras, all over the country and the signing and markings have to be spot on for every LA I've ever worked for to be signed off.

I would be interested to see the TRO for that piece of road.


ETA it appears from zooming in - although not very clear, and I'm having to squint to make out the words on the black-on-white sign further along - that the access to the SA and Campanile is BEFORE the bus lane - the signals/piece of road in the immediate foreground is not the section under restriction. The bus lane/gate is further along, out of view.

ETA2:
Found it. This is the section immediately out of view.
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.515506,-1.0965022,...

So you can travel along that road and turn left at the end. Turning right is for buses/taxis/cycles only, and is therefore enforcable/enforced at that point.

So OP, you are 100% travelling legally if you are turning left on to Booth Avenue, heading towards the SA/Lakeside Community Church.

Edited by Rusty Old-Banger on Tuesday 17th October 17:15

[Hondashark]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/do3pLz9SaoKUtG7E9

This is the location.

[megaphone]

The bus gate does not start until after you turn in, there is no restriction to the hotel or Sally Army, just don't go through the bus gate, it has blue signs each side. The paint on the road is for guidance only, the blue signs are what you need to look out for.

[Patio]

Wouldn't take the risk myself

I'd abort and go straight

[Pica-Pica]

Yes, you can.
On the approaching sign, the restriction is shown ON the road left, not at THE START of that road. That means you will meet the restriction somewhere along that road. See red arrow:

… then as you progress down that road, here is the restriction (see red arrows).

If you don’t meet the criteria in the blue circles, you can turn left.

[littleruss]

Once you have turned left, there is nothing to prevent you from doing a U-turn. After that, you must then head towards the right (the very direction the bus lane is trying to stop you from going).

Booth Avenue, Doncaster if anyone else wants to take a look?

Seems pretty pointless to me?

[FiF]

Knew straight away this was the junction to the Salvation Army at Bessacarr without looking at the linked maps.. Visited many times. Advice you've been given above is correct, as long as at the end of the slip road you then turn left into Booth Ave you're completely fine,

Then on exit by continuing on Booth Ave to the jn with Gliwice way avoiding turning first right onto the exit onto Bawtry Road where you entered, which would also mean an offence of ignoring the no right turn sign.

[Stiggolas]

Well, the Google car went down it. I've also used it a few times....

[Mr Miata]

Looks like you’re saving yourself less than a minute as the next exit is 225 meters / 245 yards further along.

If you were to go the other route via Gliwice Way and Booth Ave, it’s not even half a mile extra ( 700 metres / 775 yards )

Personally the additional time is negligible, I probably spend more time parking my car and getting out of it, than it would take to drive an extra 700 metres.

But at least you didn’t drive in a straight line across the grass, Dukes of Hazzard style, which I saw someone do in Bradford last week.

Edited by Mr Miata on Friday 20th October 07:37

[Rusty Old-Banger]

Mr Miata said:

Looks like you’re saving yourself less than a minute as the next exit is 225 meters / 245 yards further along.

If you were to go the other route via Gliwice Way and Booth Ave, it’s not even half a mile extra ( 700 metres / 775 yards )

Personally the additional time is negligible, I probably spend more time parking my car and getting out of it, than it would take to drive an extra 700 metres.

But at least you didn’t drive in a straight line across the grass, Dukes of Hazzard style, which I saw someone do in Bradford last week.

Edited by Mr Miata on Friday 20th October 07:37

But he's driving 100 percent legally along the route he's chosen. Why would you ever take the longer route?

[MustangGT]

Rusty Old-Banger said:

Mr Miata said:

Looks like you’re saving yourself less than a minute as the next exit is 225 meters / 245 yards further along.

If you were to go the other route via Gliwice Way and Booth Ave, it’s not even half a mile extra ( 700 metres / 775 yards )

Personally the additional time is negligible, I probably spend more time parking my car and getting out of it, than it would take to drive an extra 700 metres.

But at least you didn’t drive in a straight line across the grass, Dukes of Hazzard style, which I saw someone do in Bradford last week.

Edited by Mr Miata on Friday 20th October 07:37

But he's driving 100 percent legally along the route he's chosen. Why would you ever take the longer route?

Exactly. Think of the saved petrol to add to your hoon tank.

[Mr Miata]

Rusty Old-Banger said:

But he's driving 100 percent legally along the route he's chosen. Why would you ever take the longer route?

Wasn’t he asking the question only because he had doubts over the legality? As that exit appeared to be busses only?

[MustangGT]

Mr Miata said:

Rusty Old-Banger said:

But he's driving 100 percent legally along the route he's chosen. Why would you ever take the longer route?

Wasn’t he asking the question only because he had doubts over the legality? As that exit appeared to be busses only?

Indeed the OP was, however, the question has been answered and it is 100% legal to drive to the two locations mentioned.