"Offical Warning" from the Police

[Nibbles_bits]

I was involved in an RTC. Driver of my vehicle was at fault, but not entirely to blame.

The Police have sent a letter to the driver saying they have completed their investigation, and have issued an "official warning" for 'not exercising the care and attention expected of all road users".

WTF is an "official warning"??
No roadside interview was conducted, there's no ongoing investigation. So how can there be an "official" anything?

All the evidence as to the cause of the RTC had disappeared by the time BiB turned up, so I'm unsure what the "investigation" consisted of.
The weather had improved.
The vehicle we hit said another vehicle in front of them had swerved into their lane, causing them to brake.
That vehicle didn't stop, and there's no dashcam footage, so there's no evidence that a 3rd vehicle was even involved.
There were no witnesses that stayed at the scene.

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Nibbles_bits said:

I was involved in an RTC. Driver of my vehicle was at fault, but not entirely to blame.

The Police have sent a letter to the driver saying they have completed their investigation, and have issued an "official warning" for 'not exercising the care and attention expected of all road users".

WTF is an "official warning"??
No roadside interview was conducted, there's no ongoing investigation. So how can there be an "official" anything?

All the evidence as to the cause of the RTC had disappeared by the time BiB turned up, so I'm unsure what the "investigation" consisted of.
The weather had improved.
The vehicle we hit said another vehicle in front of them had swerved into their lane, causing them to brake.
That vehicle didn't stop, and there's no dashcam footage, so there's no evidence that a 3rd vehicle was even involved.
There were no witnesses that stayed at the scene.

Seems fair to me, your ‘friend’ drove into someone.

[Nibbles_bits]

Not disputing the ins and outs of what happened - I was there.

But. What is an "official warning"??

Psssst. Wasn't my "friend" it was the lady I live with.

[OutInTheShed]

Official = 'sent from the office'

Perhpas they meant an Officious Warning?

HTHBIDI.

[Nibbles_bits]

OutInTheShed said:

Official = 'sent from the office'

Perhpas they meant an Officious Warning?

HTHBIDI.

So - not worth the paper it's written on.

[wyson]

https://www.themix.org.uk/crime-and-safety/police-...

https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty

Is it a caution? So will show up on dbs checks?

I think driving without due care and attention is actually something they can prosecute you for in court, so sounds like the lesser precursor to that?

Edited by wyson on Friday 10th November 20:28

[Amateurish]

You have to accept a caution. Can't be that.

[Nibbles_bits]

wyson said:

https://www.themix.org.uk/crime-and-safety/police-...

https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty

Is it a caution? So will show up on dbs checks?

Nope. Not a Caution.

No roadside, or other, interview.

I'm BiB......in the same force.....and I haven't a clue what it means

[wyson]

[Bigends]

wyson said:

https://www.themix.org.uk/crime-and-safety/police-...

https://www.gov.uk/caution-warning-penalty

Is it a caution? So will show up on dbs checks?

I think driving without due care and attention is actually something they can prosecute you for in court, so sounds like the lesser precursor to that?

Edited by wyson on Friday 10th November 20:28

For a caution to be considered there must be a PACE compliant interview, and a full admission by the suspect before a caution can be issued

[hidetheelephants]

Nibbles_bits said:

Nope. Not a Caution.

No roadside, or other, interview.

I'm BiB......in the same force.....and I haven't a clue what it means

Nothing like the left hand not knowing what righty is up to. Is the sender near enough you could visit and ask WTF it means? PH needs to know.

[Nibbles_bits]

hidetheelephants said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Nope. Not a Caution.

No roadside, or other, interview.

I'm BiB......in the same force.....and I haven't a clue what it means

Nothing like the left hand not knowing what righty is up to. Is the sender near enough you could visit and ask WTF it means? PH needs to know.

There's no way I'm going anywhere near those Black Rats

[Mojooo]

I suspect its their way of having something on the record so that if the same thing happens again they can say well you were warned previously.

[hidetheelephants]

Mojooo said:

I suspect its their way of having something on the record so that if the same thing happens again they can say well you were warned previously.

Which is what section 59 or a caution is for; this is bullst in letter form.

[Nibbles_bits]

Mojooo said:

I suspect its their way of having something on the record so that if the same thing happens again they can say well you were warned previously.

Which sorta makes sense.......but an "official warning" letter won't hold any weight in the future.

2025 - Mrs Nibbles_bits has another at fault accident = Sandford Police "we did warn you".

[Greendubber]

Nibbles_bits said:

hidetheelephants said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Nope. Not a Caution.

No roadside, or other, interview.

I'm BiB......in the same force.....and I haven't a clue what it means

Nothing like the left hand not knowing what righty is up to. Is the sender near enough you could visit and ask WTF it means? PH needs to know.

There's no way I'm going anywhere near those Black Rats

I'd be going straight to them if it was me, they can't be sending things like that out without a full explanation.

If, as we expect, it's totally powerless I'd take great pleasure in using their office shredder to dispose of it.

[Nibbles_bits]

Greendubber said:

Nibbles_bits said:

hidetheelephants said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Nope. Not a Caution.

No roadside, or other, interview.

I'm BiB......in the same force.....and I haven't a clue what it means

Nothing like the left hand not knowing what righty is up to. Is the sender near enough you could visit and ask WTF it means? PH needs to know.

There's no way I'm going anywhere near those Black Rats

I'd be going straight to them if it was me, they can't be sending things like that out without a full explanation.

If, as we expect, it's totally powerless I'd take great pleasure in using their office shredder to dispose of it.

I've sent a strongly worded email. I won't deal with this in a professional capacity.......until I get some feedback as an MOP. Then I'll ask Qs as a professional.

Can't use their shredder.......it's already been "filed" as rat bedding

Edit: TBF. It's not Officers, it's a civie sat near to them.

[Collectingbrass]

Are you sure it's actually from the Police? It's not that difficult for someone to knock something up at home that looks like it's official.

[Nibbles_bits]

Collectingbrass said:

Are you sure it's actually from the Police? It's not that difficult for someone to knock something up at home that looks like it's official.

Erm.....yes.
I'm sure it's from the Police.

[taffer87]

this isn’t uncommon - for eg when someone reports third party incidents via dashcam footage where police feel they won’t get a conviction in court due to (lack of) quality of evidence then they offen issue a written warning. it doesn’t mean much at all as if they had enough to prosecute they would issue a NIP and in the next potential incident they have to make a determination based on the facts and evidence of that next potential incident

obviously the purpose is to warn so as to potentially improve the driver’s driving standard - so if they mess up again and for eg have a serious incident in future police can say they even warned the driver. Record is kept for 3 year at least for Met police for such letters

Edited by taffer87 on Saturday 11th November 11:10