6pts for 36 in a 30 - FFS
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fitzmoresco

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154 posts

178 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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NIP landed from Avon and Somerset for doing 36mph in a 30 zone along the A303. First offence and a full clean licence for 30years so surprised no suggestion of a speed awareness course and bold text suggesting a £1000 and 6points?

I must complete confirmatory details on back of form otherwise I go to prison doing hard labour breaking rocks…

Seriously though, how does this work? I thought it was 3points or a SAC and a couple of hundred pound fine

Mr E

22,678 posts

281 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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That’ll be the maximum possible penalty.

Fill it in. They’ll either offer you a course or 3 points and £100.

Jamescrs

5,783 posts

87 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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The Police can't give you 6 points and £1000 fine, that would have to be imposed by a court, I guess it's to try and push you towards the Speed Awareness Course.

As above it would be 3 points and £100 fine but personally I would still do the SAC

E-bmw

12,050 posts

174 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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fitzmoresco said:
NIP landed from Avon and Somerset for doing 36mph in a 30 zone along the A303. First offence and a full clean licence for 30years so surprised no suggestion of a speed awareness course and bold text suggesting a £1000 and 6points?

I must complete confirmatory details on back of form otherwise I go to prison doing hard labour breaking rocks…

Seriously though, how does this work? I thought it was 3points or a SAC and a couple of hundred pound fine
Firstly, it won't be an NIP, that comes after you have declared the driver details if required.

Guidelines for "enforcement" start at +10% +3mph, so you will almost certainly be offered an SAC assuming you haven't had one in 3 years.

NFT

1,324 posts

44 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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fitzmoresco said:
NIP landed from Avon and Somerset for doing 36mph in a 30 zone along the A303. First offence and a full clean licence for 30years so surprised no suggestion of a speed awareness course and bold text suggesting a £1000 and 6points?

I must complete confirmatory details on back of form otherwise I go to prison doing hard labour breaking rocks…

Seriously though, how does this work? I thought it was 3points or a SAC and a couple of hundred pound fine
Sounds like you had a combined NIP (intend to prosecute driver etc.. required within 14 days by law)and s172 to grass driver up.. Not notice of points etc..

Is it asking you for the drivers details? If so you send it off, the they offer you a course,

Did you not also get a bit of paper with common questions stated and answered?

Oceanrower

1,238 posts

134 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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E-bmw said:
Firstly, it won't be an NIP, that comes after you have declared the driver details if required.

Guidelines for "enforcement" start at +10% +3mph, so you will almost certainly be offered an SAC assuming you haven't had one in 3 years.
Close but no cigar.

Enforcement guidelines are generally 10%+2

Pica-Pica

15,887 posts

106 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Oceanrower said:
E-bmw said:
Firstly, it won't be an NIP, that comes after you have declared the driver details if required.

Guidelines for "enforcement" start at +10% +3mph, so you will almost certainly be offered an SAC assuming you haven't had one in 3 years.
Close but no cigar.

Enforcement guidelines are generally 10%+2
Indeed. The other is a frequent wrong understanding of the thresholds.

NFT

1,324 posts

44 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Oh, and 36 in a 30,

How about 35 in a 30, right at start of threshold to take action, due to massively empty road and no signed indicating the DC was now 30, them relying on lack of repeaters concealed by trees and existing 30mph half a mile before having not gone that way for years.

If I could of, I would have sent Van man into a mine to die at the time.

Smollet

14,785 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Jamescrs said:
The Police can't give you 6 points and £1000 fine, that would have to be imposed by a court, I guess it's to try and push you towards the Speed Awareness Course.

As above it would be 3 points and £100 fine but personally I would still do the SAC
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.

NFT

1,324 posts

44 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Smollet said:
Jamescrs said:
The Police can't give you 6 points and £1000 fine, that would have to be imposed by a court, I guess it's to try and push you towards the Speed Awareness Course.

As above it would be 3 points and £100 fine but personally I would still do the SAC
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
Yes, I think the panic inducing format caused him to process the deliberate threats and mind game as guaranteed points and fine, they got him real good.


Smollet

14,785 posts

212 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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NFT said:
Smollet said:
Jamescrs said:
The Police can't give you 6 points and £1000 fine, that would have to be imposed by a court, I guess it's to try and push you towards the Speed Awareness Course.

As above it would be 3 points and £100 fine but personally I would still do the SAC
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
Yes, I think the panic inducing format caused him to process the deliberate threats and mind game as guaranteed points and fine, they got him real good.
Bully boy tactics. Shameful

Zetec-S

6,592 posts

115 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Where on the A303? Fixed camera or mobile?

(just asking for reference)

Sheepshanks

38,943 posts

141 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Smollet said:
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
You'll learn how completely clueless other motorists are. Based on the OP's OP - he might be in good company! smile

SS2.

14,675 posts

260 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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E-bmw said:
Firstly, it won't be an NIP, that comes after you have declared the driver details if required.
Are you confusing a Notice of Intended Prosecution with a Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty ?

NFT

1,324 posts

44 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
Smollet said:
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
You'll learn how completely clueless other motorists are. Based on the OP's OP - he might be in good company! smile
Likely learn how almost everyone was on a clear road, mildly over limit, didn't deserve it, wasn't causing a real risk to anyone, isn't criminally inclined and agree all being used as Suckers And Cash if talks to other people.

OP,
What it really says to you and should have said:
Dear vehicle keeper,

We have evidence of a car like yours, so are writing to you oblivious as to if it was your car, or if you was, or know the driver.

We intend to make proceedings against the driver, an unknown party.

We may have a picture of drivers face, but most of the time do not.

If you can confirm it was your car, and give us a name to pursue, that would be lovely..

Oh, fail to reply and you could be convicted for failing to reply so we can make life easier for us.

This was likely automated, and handled by staff not having warrant cards.

Good Day.
One thing I would like to hear on pistonhead, is like as a friend did years ago, he nominated his brother, who nominated his friend, who nominated him, who nominated no one again as he never got another, and they never heard anything about it again.

Would be nice to have recorded account on when they give up.

Suspicious_user

4,090 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Sheepshanks said:
Smollet said:
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
You'll learn how completely clueless other motorists are. Based on the OP's OP - he might be in good company! smile
I learnt on variable speed motorways the speed cameras are also variable. To be fair I learnt this shortly after passing the camera.

On the course there was one person who couldn’t understand English and was asked to leave and another whose phone ran out of battery during the Teams call.

I also disagreed with something the presenter said about cars braking and the distance covered was the same for every car.

NFT

1,324 posts

44 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Suspicious_user said:
I learnt on variable speed motorways the speed cameras are also variable. To be fair I learnt this shortly after passing the camera.

On the course there was one person who couldn’t understand English and was asked to leave and another whose phone ran out of battery during the Teams call.

I also disagreed with something the presenter said about cars braking and the distance covered was the same for every car.
Nope, depends on tyres, contact patch & conditions under it, pad size, wheel weight and stored energy, brake pads, friction, in addition to response time of driver, mechanical efficiency of the system...

I failed to see why a ball would roll across DC so I could determine if it was a DC or not. Dangerous thing for anyone to do miles from any urban area. hehe



ingenieur

4,643 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Suspicious_user said:
Sheepshanks said:
Smollet said:
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
You'll learn how completely clueless other motorists are. Based on the OP's OP - he might be in good company! smile
I also disagreed with something the presenter said about cars braking and the distance covered was the same for every car.
I had an issue with their views on braking time as well. Can't remember the physics bending piece of crap they were spewing but it was clearly bks.

Suspicious_user

4,090 posts

215 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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ingenieur said:
Suspicious_user said:
Sheepshanks said:
Smollet said:
Agreed and you’ll probably learn something at a SAC.
You'll learn how completely clueless other motorists are. Based on the OP's OP - he might be in good company! smile
I also disagreed with something the presenter said about cars braking and the distance covered was the same for every car.
I had an issue with their views on braking time as well. Can't remember the physics bending piece of crap they were spewing but it was clearly bks.
I ended up closing my mouth as I just wanted the course to be over.

fitzmoresco

Original Poster:

154 posts

178 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2023
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Thank you for the comment.