Has anyone been done for breaking the 20mph limit in Wales?
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There's a rumour going round work today that the new 20mph limits will be enforced from December 1st. Obviously I have no way of establishing the accuracy of this, but I'm curious to know if anyone has been stopped and given a ticket or "words of advice" or had a NIP from a camera van yet ?
I think if faced with a 20mph zone I would do 15mph just to be a bit safer. I mean, do you really want to hit a child at 20mph?
ingenieur said:
Not heard of anyone but would be interested to know. I saw them out with a hand-held hiding behind a bin in a 40-zone last week.
I thought they weren't supposed to hide - or was that the 20th century?Simpo Two said:
I think if faced with a 20mph zone I would do 15mph just to be a bit safer. I mean, do you really want to hit a child at 20mph?
ingenieur said:
Not heard of anyone but would be interested to know. I saw them out with a hand-held hiding behind a bin in a 40-zone last week.
I thought they weren't supposed to hide - or was that the 20th century?
Simpo Two said:
I think if faced with a 20mph zone I would do 15mph just to be a bit safer. I mean, do you really want to hit a child at 20mph?
yeah, unfortunately. When I got stopped in 2019 by a hidden police constable I looked into this and found that hiding had been made legal. I didn't use that in my defence but fortunately there were some other grounds which meant I kept a clean license and a happier wallet. ingenieur said:
Not heard of anyone but would be interested to know. I saw them out with a hand-held hiding behind a bin in a 40-zone last week.
I thought they weren't supposed to hide - or was that the 20th century?r5kdt said:
When the stats show this to be a huge success, which i am sure they will down the line, i can imagine the next step will be to reduce the speed even further to 10MPH and then to having a man walking in front of the vehicle with a red flag, even more apt for Wales!
A red flag with a hammer and sickle on it? They really have to get out of the habit of voting Labour. It's like punching yourself in the face. People complain about the conservatives... and things aren't great... but Labour are openly / willingly round the twist.
The fact the NHS in Wales barely functions should be all the motivation required to vote for anybody else but for some reason that never happens.
r5kdt said:
When the stats show this to be a huge success, which i am sure they will down the line, i can imagine the next step will be to reduce the speed even further to 10MPH and then to having a man walking in front of the vehicle with a red flag, even more apt for Wales!
Ooh! ‘A man walking in front with a red flag’ - a novel contribution.When they do look at whether this has been a success of failure, I hope everything is taken into account, for example:
How many more people died because ambulances couldn't get them to hospital in time (no stupid comments about blue lights, with traffic crawling around its already shown to take longer)
What the cost has been to the country due to the increased time spent in travel. The bus companies have already had to reduce services, as have delivery firms etc. How many sick people don't get to there doctor or hospital appointments because the bus no longer runs?
The only certainly "safe" speed to hit a child is 0 mph, so unless (until?) all forms of transportation are banned, and we all sit at home all day with a crash helmet on and wrapped up in bubble wrap - we have to accept that we cannot get to zero deaths on the roads.
How many more people died because ambulances couldn't get them to hospital in time (no stupid comments about blue lights, with traffic crawling around its already shown to take longer)
What the cost has been to the country due to the increased time spent in travel. The bus companies have already had to reduce services, as have delivery firms etc. How many sick people don't get to there doctor or hospital appointments because the bus no longer runs?
The only certainly "safe" speed to hit a child is 0 mph, so unless (until?) all forms of transportation are banned, and we all sit at home all day with a crash helmet on and wrapped up in bubble wrap - we have to accept that we cannot get to zero deaths on the roads.
ingenieur said:
r5kdt said:
When the stats show this to be a huge success, which i am sure they will down the line, i can imagine the next step will be to reduce the speed even further to 10MPH and then to having a man walking in front of the vehicle with a red flag, even more apt for Wales!
A red flag with a hammer and sickle on it? They really have to get out of the habit of voting Labour. It's like punching yourself in the face. People complain about the conservatives... and things aren't great... but Labour are openly / willingly round the twist.
The fact the NHS in Wales barely functions should be all the motivation required to vote for anybody else but for some reason that never happens.
Simpo Two said:
I think if faced with a 20mph zone I would do 15mph just to be a bit safer. I mean, do you really want to hit a child at 20mph?
It does depend how openly and forcefully the limits are forced.ingenieur said:
Not heard of anyone but would be interested to know. I saw them out with a hand-held hiding behind a bin in a 40-zone last week.
I thought they weren't supposed to hide - or was that the 20th century?If you drove at 15 mph, you will be seriously hassled. I have to use a few miles of 20mph roads on my commute and they are without doubt the most stressful miles of my journey (and dangerous) as you get tailgated quite woefully (some putting the headlights on full beam) and it seems to create a new way of giving way to oncoming traffic - in that people do not do give way. This has become quite blatant and now I expect it 100%. (My road is empty, oncoming car has two parked cars on his side - he will NOT wait behind them)
I get a mix of tailgating, drivers doing at least 40-50, being overtaken at junctions or on bends (hey, every second counts) and emergency stops a plenty.
In my view they either drop them or put speed cameras up along the entire route.
livinginasia said:
When they do look at whether this has been a success of failure, I hope everything is taken into account, for example:
How many more people died because ambulances couldn't get them to hospital in time (no stupid comments about blue lights, with traffic crawling around its already shown to take longer)
What the cost has been to the country due to the increased time spent in travel. The bus companies have already had to reduce services, as have delivery firms etc. How many sick people don't get to there doctor or hospital appointments because the bus no longer runs?
The only certainly "safe" speed to hit a child is 0 mph, so unless (until?) all forms of transportation are banned, and we all sit at home all day with a crash helmet on and wrapped up in bubble wrap - we have to accept that we cannot get to zero deaths on the roads.
Lol. Surely if cars are going slower it will be easier to overtake. Won't take people as long to slow down...How many more people died because ambulances couldn't get them to hospital in time (no stupid comments about blue lights, with traffic crawling around its already shown to take longer)
What the cost has been to the country due to the increased time spent in travel. The bus companies have already had to reduce services, as have delivery firms etc. How many sick people don't get to there doctor or hospital appointments because the bus no longer runs?
The only certainly "safe" speed to hit a child is 0 mph, so unless (until?) all forms of transportation are banned, and we all sit at home all day with a crash helmet on and wrapped up in bubble wrap - we have to accept that we cannot get to zero deaths on the roads.
W124Bob said:
I'm not defending Arriva Wales, but I suspect their service reductions have more to do with being under new ownership and reducing the bottom line . The whole group has been sold to I Squared, a global transport investment company.
Yes, I made that observation some time ago on ‘the other thread’.Enforcement in Wales on the 20mph zones doesn't start for another 10 months. Currently you will be, at worst, given a talking to at the roadside or if you're breaking the previous 30mph limit then you'll be done as before. There is a generous long transition period.
ingenieur said:
A red flag with a hammer and sickle on it?
They really have to get out of the habit of voting Labour. It's like punching yourself in the face. People complain about the conservatives... and things aren't great... but Labour are openly / willingly round the twist.
The fact the NHS in Wales barely functions should be all the motivation required to vote for anybody else but for some reason that never happens.
That totally ignores that Wales delivers better value per £ spent in the NHS than England does and that the formula used to decide how much money Westminster gives to the Senedd for the NHS (and everything else) disproportionately screws Wales (and Scotland) over whenever a cut in funding is announced. It the same as Tory councils getting better funding than non-Tory ones in England but in a much greater scale. Westminster announce a cut in council funding? Wales gets a bigger reduction per head so has to find even tougher savings. A boost to NHS funding announced by Westminster? Wales doesn't get it but their costs (wages etc) go up the same amount so money is taken away from Frontline services.westminster really doesn't like that Wales has nice things like free prescriptions or Scotland with their low cost education so they pull the purse strings as hard as they can to try and stop it. They really have to get out of the habit of voting Labour. It's like punching yourself in the face. People complain about the conservatives... and things aren't great... but Labour are openly / willingly round the twist.
The fact the NHS in Wales barely functions should be all the motivation required to vote for anybody else but for some reason that never happens.
aterribleusername said:
Enforcement in Wales on the 20mph zones doesn't start for another 10 months. Currently you will be, at worst, given a talking to at the roadside or if you're breaking the previous 30mph limit then you'll be done as before. There is a generous long transition period.
Would be a comforting thought, clutching your chest in pain on the living room floor waiting for an ambulance.... "at least Wales delivers better value per £ spent compared with England" you'd be chanting as your vital signs dwindle. ingenieur said:
A red flag with a hammer and sickle on it?
They really have to get out of the habit of voting Labour. It's like punching yourself in the face. People complain about the conservatives... and things aren't great... but Labour are openly / willingly round the twist.
The fact the NHS in Wales barely functions should be all the motivation required to vote for anybody else but for some reason that never happens.
That totally ignores that Wales delivers better value per £ spent in the NHS than England does and that the formula used to decide how much money Westminster gives to the Senedd for the NHS (and everything else) disproportionately screws Wales (and Scotland) over whenever a cut in funding is announced. It the same as Tory councils getting better funding than non-Tory ones in England but in a much greater scale. Westminster announce a cut in council funding? Wales gets a bigger reduction per head so has to find even tougher savings. A boost to NHS funding announced by Westminster? Wales doesn't get it but their costs (wages etc) go up the same amount so money is taken away from Frontline services.westminster really doesn't like that Wales has nice things like free prescriptions or Scotland with their low cost education so they pull the purse strings as hard as they can to try and stop it. They really have to get out of the habit of voting Labour. It's like punching yourself in the face. People complain about the conservatives... and things aren't great... but Labour are openly / willingly round the twist.
The fact the NHS in Wales barely functions should be all the motivation required to vote for anybody else but for some reason that never happens.
aterribleusername said:
Enforcement in Wales on the 20mph zones doesn't start for another 10 months.
Sorry but thats rubbish. We've already had vans in the 20mph zones in Pembrokeshire since 1 Dec, and the list of where the vans will be for December lists a lot of 20mph zones near schools etc.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/exac...
I can't believe they'd park the vans just where the limit drops from 40 to 20 just for fun.
Also Welsh Govt said the non enforcement period had ended in Oct
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/enforc...
Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 5th December 11:44
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