Hedge cut down
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neilr

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1,576 posts

285 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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hi.

My parents live in a semi detached house. The neighbour died and its been bought by a developer. Today the developer has had 'gardeners' in to clear the garden cut trees and chip them all.

However, a couple of hours ago they cut down my parents hedge (the hedge between the properties). Their garden and sheds are now open to the world as the next doors garden is open to the road. Its a clear security issue for them.

I just need to know where they stand legally. They have lived there for over 50 years and have always been told the hedge belonged to them. Both when they bought the property and by successive neighbours.

However, IF the developer wants to put a fence there at his expense than that isn't the worst thing. But no one will give me his contact details which is fishy, and in my experience if it smells fishy, it is.

They (and I) would rather resolve this amicably but I think it is wise to know where they stand re the law before agreeing to anything

If anyone with legal expertise can help with any advice id be very grateful. I've called a couple of solicitors on my parents behalf today but so far the ones I've called don't want to deal with problems like these.

TIA

blueg33

44,270 posts

246 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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neilr said:
hi.

My parents live in a semi detached house. The neighbour died and its been bought by a developer. Today the developer has had 'gardeners' in to clear the garden cut trees and chip them all.

However, a couple of hours ago they cut down my parents hedge (the hedge between the properties). Their garden and sheds are now open to the world as the next doors garden is open to the road. Its a clear security issue for them.

I just need to know where they stand legally. They have lived there for over 50 years and have always been told the hedge belonged to them. Both when they bought the property and by successive neighbours.

However, IF the developer wants to put a fence there at his expense than that isn't the worst thing. But no one will give me his contact details which is fishy, and in my experience if it smells fishy, it is.

They (and I) would rather resolve this amicably but I think it is wise to know where they stand re the law before agreeing to anything

If anyone with legal expertise can help with any advice id be very grateful. I've called a couple of solicitors on my parents behalf today but so far the ones I've called don't want to deal with problems like these.

TIA
Need to establish ownership of the hedge if you can.

Its criminal damage, or at least negligence. I would be pointing this out to them via solicitors and suggesting what remedy would be acceptable to you.

Also, if the didnt return the cuttings etc its theft

neilr

Original Poster:

1,576 posts

285 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Thanks for the reply.

I have a feeling establishing ownership might prove almost difficult but I'll def be trying to do this.

The hedge looked awful from the other side due to the now deceased neighbour not having anything done to it in 15 years. (yes).

Undoubtedly the developer doesn't was a st looking hedge (from their side, my folks side of the hedge has always been well maintained. (these days by me smile ) So he's just told them to remove it and then well, it's too late isn't it.

If he puts a fence/wall in that is an acceptable solution but because of the extension work that will be going on that wouldn't get done until last knockings. That most certainly isn't acceptable.. Obviously I have to find the dodgy bd before I can talk to him though which is proving equally difficult.

All it would have taken is a knock on the door and a quick chat to work something out. What an asshole.






mmm-five

12,012 posts

306 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Throw a rock through the window...and when they come calling, tell them you would have phoned them to tell them of the vandalism/damage but you had no contact details...and by the way where's my effing hedge gone!

Yellow Lizud

2,779 posts

186 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Surely the easiest way out is just to erect a fence on your side of the boundary.

May not be exactly what you want and will probably incur some cost but will be quick and simple, far less hassle and will avoid any long drawn out disputes with the developer.
If you can get to speak to them you might even be able to persuade them to pay for all or some of it. After all, if you do it it's one less thing for them to worry about.

cpszx

159 posts

179 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Was it sold through an agent? Do you know who?

You could contact them and ask them to get in touch with the developer/buyer on your behalf, to pass on your contact details to discuss the issue.

Were the hedge trunks clearly inside the boundary line on your side, or dead on the boundary, or on their side? At least where the boundary meets the house should be determinable, if the further end is not.

NFT

1,324 posts

44 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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As said, you need to confirm ownership and decide what remedy/you want doing about it if it was yours.

Had a property where neighbor took fence and 14 foot trees down, fenced all way to the bottom incl over the right of way footpath penning the bins in before now.

It could be the developers are planning a nice looking brand new fence the owner then has to maintain at their own cost anyway, but that won't help if you really want the hedge back.

Edited by NFT on Wednesday 13th December 16:41

VSKeith

1,612 posts

69 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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What an utter arse. Who would do that without discussing with the neighbour?

Hope you and your folks get to a reasonable resolution without too much stress, OP.

I'd be furious and dumbfounded in equal measure, although obviously that doesn't help.

Good luck

Pica-Pica

15,883 posts

106 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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blueg33 said:
Need to establish ownership of the hedge if you can.

Its criminal damage, or at least negligence. I would be pointing this out to them via solicitors and suggesting what remedy would be acceptable to you.

Also, if the didnt return the cuttings etc its theft
.. and probably trespass as well.

996Type

1,033 posts

174 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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We had travellers at a previous house hatchet a load of shrubs / bushes to access a closed car park, police were present on site and said no offence committed. Turned out they were wrong and the council pursued them for criminal damage, even though the greenery eventually grew back, so if the hedge was theirs, it is a criminal matter.

Getting the police interested maybe a different story, but the developer either knows they owned the greenery and could cut it down lawfully, or they’ve made a mistake which may give you options in terms of making good again for the security.

Worth pursuing with a legal (looking) letter to establish damage had been done before you spend your own money to put a fence up.

blueg33

44,270 posts

246 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Pica-Pica said:
blueg33 said:
Need to establish ownership of the hedge if you can.

Its criminal damage, or at least negligence. I would be pointing this out to them via solicitors and suggesting what remedy would be acceptable to you.

Also, if the didnt return the cuttings etc its theft
.. and probably trespass as well.
If they cause damage it’s aggravated trespass which is criminal not civil.

The problem is that it’s notoriously difficult to demonstrate hedge ownership.

Wacky Racer

40,478 posts

269 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Ring Special Branch.

Ham_and_Jam

3,303 posts

119 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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It’s very likely they will be putting a new fence up. They will want to sell the house and a back garden that has open access to next door is not a great look.

They really should have discussed, made known and their plans first though.

Good luck

Decky_Q

1,913 posts

199 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Establish your boundary quickly, or come over for a visit one day and find the new boundary fence is in your parent's garden.

Wings

5,924 posts

237 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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I had a similar situation at a rental property, with a neighbour cutting down several conifer trees. When confronting the neighbour, the neighbour's excuse was that although the trees were on my rental garden/land, the neighbour had originally planted the trees.

Although I was glad to seeing the trees removed, I was still piffed off at the neighbour removing the trees without first consulting with me. However, I decided it was not worth pursuing the issue through the courts, allowing the neighbour to erect a boundary fence.

Still bugs me though, with my advice to the OP to approach the developer to seek a mutual settlement.

Freddie Fitch

190 posts

93 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Maybe take a look at the council's planning website to see if this sheds any light.

LimmerickLad

5,906 posts

37 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Decky_Q said:
Establish your boundary quickly, or come over for a visit one day and find the new boundary fence is in your parent's garden.
This ^^^^^^^ Even if it's a single strand of wire and a few posts

Yellow Lizud

2,779 posts

186 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Wacky Racer said:
Ring Special Branch.
You're barking up the wrong tree with that idea.

VSKeith

1,612 posts

69 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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Yellow Lizud said:
Wacky Racer said:
Ring Special Branch.
You're barking up the wrong tree with that idea.
Leaf it out

hidetheelephants

33,206 posts

215 months

Wednesday 13th December 2023
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The developer's name and address will appear on the land registry; buy a set of next door's deeds for a few pounds.