UKPS Parking Charge Notice

[Turkish91]

These threads are done to death I know… but I’ve never had one before. Just come back from working abroad to this -



Annoyingly to get the reduced rate I need to pay it tonight I think. Am I going to have to suck it up and pay or is it one for the bin, filing cabinet for now along with all the subsequent letters I’m no doubt going to receive?

Logged in to their site for more evidence - was parked there for 7 minutes whilst I cut through a gap for a quick Tesco visit. Yes it’s double yellows I know, but it’s an extremely quiet and small dead end industrial estate, plus this has happened at 2pm on a Saturday when the place is a ghost town!

[Sebring440]

Turkish91 said:

plus this has happened at 2pm on a Saturday when the place is a ghost town!

And that changes the rules?

Bang to rights, mate!

[E63eeeeee...]

I guess the question is if they take you to court what's your defence going to be? You're parked on private land, on double yellow lines. The signs will say that parking outside marked bays or whatever will get you that charge. What's your argument for not owing the money?

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Turkish91 said:

These threads are done to death I know… but I’ve never had one before. Just come back from working abroad to this -



Annoyingly to get the reduced rate I need to pay it tonight I think. Am I going to have to suck it up and pay or is it one for the bin, filing cabinet for now along with all the subsequent letters I’m no doubt going to receive?

Logged in to their site for more evidence - was parked there for 7 minutes whilst I cut through a gap for a quick Tesco visit. Yes it’s double yellows I know, but it’s an extremely quiet and small dead end industrial estate, plus this has happened at 2pm on a Saturday when the place is a ghost town!

You should also post this in the st parking thread.

[DavePanda]

You literally parked 10ft from a sign saying you'd be fined £100 if you parked on the double yellows https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2483121,-1.40134...

Yet if you went a few meters further there are no double yellows https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2483121,-1.40134...

[Turkish91]

DavePanda said:

You literally parked 10ft from a sign saying you'd be fined £100 if you parked on the double yellows https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2483121,-1.40134...

Yet if you went a few meters further there are no double yellows https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.2483121,-1.40134...

I know, it’s where I usually park to avoid door dings but on the day in question there was other cars there. What I didnt know was those signs, genuinely haven’t noticed them before.

Thanks for the advice all. Fine paid

[Turkish91]

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[Rufus Stone]

This is an interesting one.

I thought double yellow lines infringement penalties on private land were unenforceable. I know of a business park that put double yellows on their private access road and the local council forced the managing company to remove them.

[vikingaero]

"I understand you are pursuing me as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle under POFA 2012. I am not required to name the driver and will not be doing. Please send a POPLA appeal code if you reject my appeal".

Then you either appeal to POPLA, or they write back and say they are not pursuing under POFA to pull the wool over your eyes.

[Deranged Rover]

vikingaero said:

"I understand you are pursuing me as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle under POFA 2012. I am not required to name the driver and will not be doing. Please send a POPLA appeal code if you reject my appeal".

Then you either appeal to POPLA, or they write back and say they are not pursuing under POFA to pull the wool over your eyes.

That's one option.

The other option is to accept that you parked illegally on double yellow lines and pay the fine, which the OP has done.

[pavarotti1980]

Deranged Rover said:

That's one option.

The other option is to accept that you parked illegally on double yellow lines and pay the fine, which the OP has done.

Sorry what was the illegal activity a private company wanted paying for?

[E-bmw]

pavarotti1980 said:

Sorry what was the illegal activity a private company wanted paying for?

Why don't you just go to the top of the page & actually read the post from the start?

Rather than ask a stupid question.

[pavarotti1980]

E-bmw said:

Why don't you just go to the top of the page & actually read the post from the start?

Rather than ask a stupid question.

It wasnt a stupid question. Come back when you realise why

[oyster]

E-bmw said:

pavarotti1980 said:

Sorry what was the illegal activity a private company wanted paying for?

Why don't you just go to the top of the page & actually read the post from the start?

Rather than ask a stupid question.

Whooosh

[car user]

pavarotti1980 said:

It wasnt a stupid question. Come back when you realise why

I'm curious here.

The OP is clearly parking where he shouldn't. But what I don't understand is how a private company is trying to cash in on this.

I understand private car parks. I get that they offer a parking service that you enter into a contract with (by driving past some signs at the entrance) and they charge you for a breach of that contract or a loss of a revenue (I forget the actual terminology here).

But in this circumstance, OP is parking on some double yellow lines on a public highway. The council should be able to give him a ticket, but not a private company. What would be stopped me from going around my local area with a camera and some officious looking tickets and fining members of the public?

Edit: Just read the full letter and it looks like this is a private access road and that they state signage was present at the entrance, but they also refer to it as a car park. Surely there will be some wriggle room here given that they are trying to operate an access road as a car park.

Edited by car user on Friday 22 December 15:01

[Rufus Stone]

It's not a public highway. The double yellows have no meaning.

[pavarotti1980]

car user said:

I'm curious here.

The OP is clearly parking where he shouldn't. But what I don't understand is how a private company is trying to cash in on this.

I understand private car parks. I get that they offer a parking service that you enter into a contract with (by driving past some signs at the entrance) and they charge you for a breach of that contract or a loss of a revenue (I forget the actual terminology here).

But in this circumstance, OP is parking on some double yellow lines on a public highway. The council should be able to give him a ticket, but not a private company. What would be stopped me from going around my local area with a camera and some officious looking tickets and fining members of the public?

Edit: Just read the full letter and it looks like this is a private access road and that they state signage was present at the entrance, but they also refer to it as a car park. Surely there will be some wriggle room here given that they are trying to operate an access road as a car park.

Edited by car user on Friday 22 December 15:01

Also those 2 photographs prove nothing more than him driving past an ANPR camera on 2 occasions. I would have personally asked for proof of parking and see what they come up with.

[anonymous-user]

vikingaero said:

"I understand you are pursuing me as the Registered Keeper of the vehicle under POFA 2012. I am not required to name the driver and will not be doing. Please send a POPLA appeal code if you reject my appeal".

Then you either appeal to POPLA, or they write back and say they are not pursuing under POFA to pull the wool over your eyes.

As seen on “wont pay, we’ll take it away”

You did the crime, do the time.

Or have a lot of hassle / stress

[Zeeky]

Rufus Stone said:

I thought double yellow lines infringement penalties on private land were unenforceable. I know of a business park that put double yellows on their private access road and the local council forced the managing company to remove them.

car user said:

But in this circumstance, OP is parking on some double yellow lines on a public highway. The council should be able to give him a ticket, but not a private company. What would be stopped me from going around my local area with a camera and some officious looking tickets and fining members of the public?

The landowner retains the right to enforce property rights over an unadopted road.

Public right of way/access doesn't include a right to park.

In the OP's case the owner/manager is using double yellow lines and signage to identify where parking incurs a fee.



However, the highways authority has the right to regulate an unadopted road in the same way it regulates adopted roads.

In the example Rufus gives, it may be that the owner/ manager was 'passing off' the double yellow lines as HA ones and the HA has the authority to require their removal.

[E-bmw]

pavarotti1980 said:

E-bmw said:

Why don't you just go to the top of the page & actually read the post from the start?

Rather than ask a stupid question.

It wasnt a stupid question. Come back when you realise why

If what you are referring to is the use of the word "illegal" in the question then yes obviously that is wrong & is why I was ignoring the word but that doesn't change the fact that the company has the right (IANAL) to ask for & seek redress for parking contrary to their Ts & Cs.

ETA. On top of that nobody used the word illegal before you, so you tell us what your use of the word illegal was referring to?

Edited by E-bmw on Saturday 23 December 11:29