I’ve had enough
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I think I might have been caught. Again. Speed camera van. Again. On the same bit of road. Again.
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
LotsOfLaughs said:
I think I might have been caught. Again. Speed camera van. Again. On the same bit of road. Again.
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
You ask what you can do and propose a number of options. The easiest option is to slow down, especially on the bit of road where you were caught speeding previously.This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
Your point about reaction time is theoretically correct, but why do you think your reaction time would be better than average when you can’t react in time to a camera van in a location where you know they park?
LotsOfLaughs said:
I think I might have been caught. Again. Speed camera van. Again. On the same bit of road. Again.
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
I'd suggest laying off what ever sauce you have been drinking.This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
LotsOfLaughs said:
I think I might have been caught. Again. Speed camera van. Again. On the same bit of road. Again.
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
This is going to trigger a few of the BRAKE brigade on here This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
LotsOfLaughs said:
I think I might have been caught. Again. Speed camera van. Again. On the same bit of road. Again.
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
Obvious a troll, please nobody feed itThis time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
The only guaranteed way to not get banned is to not speed. There’s certainly things you can do to maybe avoid the points for longer like using waze and making sure your car is all legal.
If you don’t slow down and do in fact get banned, then you can either continue driving illegally or as you already know, a bus, bike, walk or taxi.
I don’t really understand what you want to achieve but enjoy the license whilst you have it
If you don’t slow down and do in fact get banned, then you can either continue driving illegally or as you already know, a bus, bike, walk or taxi.
I don’t really understand what you want to achieve but enjoy the license whilst you have it
s off the JSO mob as I'll be using more prehistoric fossil residue.
LotsOfLaughs said:
I think I might have been caught. Again. Speed camera van. Again. On the same bit of road. Again.
This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
The easiest option would be to slow down. You can’t be a very observant driver if you failed to to notice the speed camera van - especially if you had already been caught speeding on the same bit of road previously.This time I wont be offered a SAC, having done one less than a month or so ago.
Now, if you just want to tell me to slow down, fine, whatever. Im not interested in having that discussion, but you are of course free to comment whatever you like.
Im sure on such a forum, I neednt explain my opinion on cameras/limits/punishments regarding excess speed alone.
However, I am going to present an argument that some of you may, or may not, have thought of if you've ever had to do a SAC - particulalry the bit where they do the "a car doing 80 will still be doing almost 40 by the time/place a car doing 70 has stopped" section. Now this is of course a simple scientific fact, its the square root of the differences between the squares of the speeds (i.e. square root of 80²-70² = 38.7...)
But what they dont talk about is reaction time, if youre paying attention but driving quickly, youll still stop sooner than someone doing the speed limit but not paying attention. Obviously the specifics depend exactly on the reaction times and the speed differences, but its not complicated maths (just use meters per second, not mph)
Also, frankly, I dont like being told what to do. Im not hurting anyone else, Im not driving dangerously, Im not racing or skidding about, I just going a little bit quicker than his majesties government would like. I appreciate that driving is a privelage and not a right, but stopping someone from driving is about as close to ruining their life without abusing their rights.
So - what can I do? Not interested in stupid suggestions like "get the bus", I want to know if there are actually any ways of "getting away with it" if you like. Not something obviously illegal like blanking/obscuring the numberplate, even if its temporary. I suggested on another thread that there are effective ways of doing this, but its illegal, plain and simple. Theres a phrase that the americans have, "dont commit a misdemenour whilst commiting a felony" (i.e. like having a blown lightbulb with a load of drugs and a dead body in the boot). Well its certainly a bad idea to do it the other way around, obscuring the numberplate to get away with speeding is like obscuring a broken bulb with a severed head.
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
Obviously this isnt a cheap solution, but if its legal and it works, then maybe its worth further investigation.
Or another idea which springs to mind is just somehow legally not answering the letter. Is it possible to not register the car to someone who doesnt exist, like registering it it Harry Potter in Hogwarts or the Grinch, or to a campany perhaps? Or to register it in a foreign country, with legitimate foreign numberplates? Obviously all above board, declared to insurance etc etc, just any way of the authorities leaving me alone through the complexity of their own beurocracy.
Im not worried about actual police pulling me over, its the overhead cameras and the mobile vans in particular.
At this rate Ill be banned by about May this year, and thats assuming its only 3 points.
Any constructive responses or suggestions are mucb appreciated!
There's no way you're "getting away with it" I'm afraid. Make plans now for whatever the worst outcome is and hope for the best. I know you don't want us all being sanctimonious and all that but clearly you need to slow down. This your own fault and you're the cause of your own undoing. Instead of scrambling for dubious ways out of your predicament, take some ownership of your f*** up, slow down and watch the magic happen. No points, no fines, no stress.
Regarding your comment about speeders paying more attention, I'd like to see any proper evidence you have of this. However, you failed to notice a liveried speed camera van at a place you should've known to look out for one so I'm not your point is valid here.
Regarding your comment about speeders paying more attention, I'd like to see any proper evidence you have of this. However, you failed to notice a liveried speed camera van at a place you should've known to look out for one so I'm not your point is valid here.
LotsOfLaughs said:
I saw someone once suggest that holding numerous foreign driving licenses was a potential solution, because then no single government/agency can revoke all your licenses, and hence stop you driving - is this true, and will it work? Or can you still get banned from driving in the UK, even if youve got a dozen licenses, and thus continuing to drive once your UK license is revoked would be a crime?
appreciated!
No it won’t work, even if you don’t have a U.K. licence they will create a ghost one for you and ban you from driving on that “U.K. ghost licence” appreciated!
Makes zero difference if you have a ( insert random foreign licence ) you will still be banned from driving in U.K.
Marry a royal.
Join MI5.
Become a foreign diplomat.
Move to a country where speeding is not a crime.
Just stick to the rules like most of us, especially/particularly around urban areas, and exorcise your speed demons on more remote and open roads.
Join MI5.
Become a foreign diplomat.
Move to a country where speeding is not a crime.
Just stick to the rules like most of us, especially/particularly around urban areas, and exorcise your speed demons on more remote and open roads.
Edited by cpszx on Thursday 11th January 16:36
Edited by cpszx on Thursday 11th January 16:57
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