Can I get this train ticket refunded?
Can I get this train ticket refunded?
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milesgiles

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4,073 posts

50 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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All trains cancelled the day I wanted to use it.. had to make my own travel arrangements on another line and a bus..

BUT they are saying no because I threw away the paper ticket..

(Thameslink btw). I’m thinking that isn’t a fair or reasonable term and condition, at the end of the day ive paid for a service I didn’t receive. Consumer Rights Act? What reckon? Rail ombudsman?

Yes I have a photo of the ticket edited for clarity

Edited by milesgiles on Wednesday 14th February 13:21

ScoobyChris

2,262 posts

223 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Without the paper ticket, I think you might struggle unless you can show you bought a ticket for that route/day.

Chris

OverSteery

3,794 posts

252 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Is the ticket still valid for use? meaning can you get your money back AND then still use the the ticket? I can understand why they wouldn't be too keen on that

996Type

1,030 posts

173 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Did you use a credit card and might be able to raise a case for non-supply of services (specifically travel on the day required)?

MustangGT

13,631 posts

301 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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milesgiles said:
All trains cancelled the day I wanted to use it.. had to make my own travel arrangements on another line and a bus..

BUT they are saying no because I threw away the paper ticket..

(Thameslink btw). I’m thinking that isn’t a fair or reasonable term and condition, at the end of the day ive paid for a service I didn’t receive. Consumer Rights Act? What reckon? Rail ombudsman?
How can you prove you bought a ticket for that day?

jamei303

3,043 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Why do you throw it away? Lesson learned, chalk it up etc..

milesgiles

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Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Yes I have a photo of the ticket I sent them

milesgiles

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OverSteery said:
Is the ticket still valid for use? meaning can you get your money back AND then still use the the ticket? I can understand why they wouldn't be too keen on that
They wanted me to return it to them or deface it and send the picture.. imo the problem is I could have used it before I complained so where is the logic in that? (Which is what I told them)

milesgiles

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Wednesday 14th February 2024
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jamei303 said:
Why do you throw it away? Lesson learned, chalk it up etc..
Why did I throw away a ticket that was useless? Is that the question?

jamei303

3,043 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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milesgiles said:
jamei303 said:
Why do you throw it away? Lesson learned, chalk it up etc..
Why did I throw away a ticket that was useless? Is that the question?
Well, it evidently wasn't useless was it?

QJumper

3,238 posts

47 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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milesgiles said:
Why did I throw away a ticket that was useless? Is that the question?
Reasonable question.

Would you throw away a broken item before asking for a refund?

That said, do you not have any proof of purchase? How did you buy it?

paddy1970

1,288 posts

130 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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The Consumer Rights Act 2015 provides broad protection for consumers, ensuring that services must be provided with reasonable care and skill. If the service (in this case, the train journey you paid for) was not provided due to cancellations, you are entitled to a refund. However, the requirement to retain your ticket as proof of purchase can be a contentious point. While it's understandable that companies require evidence of purchase for refunds, given your situation and the fact that you have a photograph of the ticket, an argument could be made that you have provided reasonable evidence of your purchase.

Contact Thameslink customer service once more and log a complaint, explaining your situation in detail and mentioning that you have photographic evidence of your ticket. It's worth stating your case clearly and calmly, highlighting that the service you paid for was not provided, and thus, under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, you believe you are entitled to a refund.

If Thameslink's final response is unsatisfactory or if you do not receive a response within eight weeks, prepare your documentation for submission to the Rail Ombudsman.

milesgiles

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paddy1970 said:
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 provides broad protection for consumers, ensuring that services must be provided with reasonable care and skill. If the service (in this case, the train journey you paid for) was not provided due to cancellations, you are entitled to a refund. However, the requirement to retain your ticket as proof of purchase can be a contentious point. While it's understandable that companies require evidence of purchase for refunds, given your situation and the fact that you have a photograph of the ticket, an argument could be made that you have provided reasonable evidence of your purchase.

Contact Thameslink customer service once more and log a complaint, explaining your situation in detail and mentioning that you have photographic evidence of your ticket. It's worth stating your case clearly and calmly, highlighting that the service you paid for was not provided, and thus, under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, you believe you are entitled to a refund.

If Thameslink's final response is unsatisfactory or if you do not receive a response within eight weeks, prepare your documentation for submission to the Rail Ombudsman.
Yes

I understand t and c have to be fair, reasonable and obvious (not hidden). On that basis I will pursue it

No ideas for a name

2,934 posts

107 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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As asked up thread, would the ticket still be valid for a journey, or was it valid only for a particular date?

Mont Blanc

2,373 posts

64 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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milesgiles said:
jamei303 said:
Why do you throw it away? Lesson learned, chalk it up etc..
Why did I throw away a ticket that was useless? Is that the question?
Lesson learned then. Don't throw away train tickets until you are sure you don't need to claim anything, especially a refund. You are basically throwing away the proof you bought a ticket for that particular train.

Most of my train tickets are digital these days, so I get automatic refunds in the event of a delay or cancellation, but in the event I have paper tickets, I keep them after the journey or after the train cancellation, as I know they will be needed to claim a refund.

matrignano

4,671 posts

231 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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milesgiles said:
deface it and send the picture
Photoshop...

anonymous-user

75 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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Not that it's worth it (unless an expensive ticket), but a court would only have to believe on the balance of probabilities that you bought the ticket. Someone sensible at the train co (probably someone who can operate above/outside the standard operating procedure) would like understand that and refund rather than spend a lot of time arguing on the head of a pin about their own admitted failure to provide a service- that you had paid for.

milesgiles

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Wednesday 14th February 2024
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matrignano said:
Photoshop...
Yes exactly one reason it’s a nonsensical t and c

milesgiles

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No ideas for a name said:
As asked up thread, would the ticket still be valid for a journey, or was it valid only for a particular date?
Yes anytime return think within three months

E-bmw

12,009 posts

173 months

Wednesday 14th February 2024
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milesgiles said:
No ideas for a name said:
As asked up thread, would the ticket still be valid for a journey, or was it valid only for a particular date?
Yes anytime return think within three months
So, as been asked a few times now, why on earth did you ditch it?