Falsely accused of domestic violence
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My partner's son (early 20s) was picked up by the police at 5am on claims of domestic violence and criminal damage from a former partner, nearly 8 months after the relationship ended.
They lived together in his property and after they split, she pestered him with messages begging to get back together and wanting to remain friends so they can try again in the future. He ended up blocking her and deleting the messages.
After she caught wind that he was now seeing somebody else, his new partner received messages from the exe's sister insinuating there would be some sort of 'come back' for entering into a new relationship 'so quickly' (it was several months after the split). A third party who knows all concerned was also told by the ex that she would try something to get back at him.
The ex is a little unstable; can't work due to 'mental issues', ADHD, anxiety; you name it - if it's invisible and results in being able to not work and claim benefits, she's got it. Her tardiness was a factor to the split as he would go and work while she sat around and got paid to do nothing but smoke weed and indulge in new age crystal shenanigans and pagan witchery. Her criminal damage claims are to 'a crystal' and 'a witches broom'.
He's just returned after 8 or so hours of questioning and spending hours in a cell. She has made similar claims against previous partners and some of her claims against him don't stand up to scrutiny (i.e. he was at work when she claims he was chasing her down the street).
False and spiteful although the allegations are, my question is are the police savvy enough to recognise and see through vindictive behaviour of this type? Should he be worried?
They lived together in his property and after they split, she pestered him with messages begging to get back together and wanting to remain friends so they can try again in the future. He ended up blocking her and deleting the messages.
After she caught wind that he was now seeing somebody else, his new partner received messages from the exe's sister insinuating there would be some sort of 'come back' for entering into a new relationship 'so quickly' (it was several months after the split). A third party who knows all concerned was also told by the ex that she would try something to get back at him.
The ex is a little unstable; can't work due to 'mental issues', ADHD, anxiety; you name it - if it's invisible and results in being able to not work and claim benefits, she's got it. Her tardiness was a factor to the split as he would go and work while she sat around and got paid to do nothing but smoke weed and indulge in new age crystal shenanigans and pagan witchery. Her criminal damage claims are to 'a crystal' and 'a witches broom'.
He's just returned after 8 or so hours of questioning and spending hours in a cell. She has made similar claims against previous partners and some of her claims against him don't stand up to scrutiny (i.e. he was at work when she claims he was chasing her down the street).
False and spiteful although the allegations are, my question is are the police savvy enough to recognise and see through vindictive behaviour of this type? Should he be worried?
DrBrule said:
A solicitor was present.
It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
Good, he's got that on his side then, I suspect if he has done as his legal rep has suggested and he has proof he was not where she says he was at some of the times the allegations were supposed to have taken place he may manage to get them to believe him but in cases like this the word of the woman is stronger than the word of the accused guy.It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
He's already been punished by being arrested and that in itself has now restricted his travel to certain countries forever.
So all in all the best outcome now is that it is dropped, she of course will have no backlash whatsoever.
DrBrule said:
False and spiteful although the allegations are, my question is are the police savvy enough to recognise and see through vindictive behaviour of this type? Should he be worried?
It doesn't really matter what the police think about it. If there's sufficient evidence then he's potentially in bother. If there's not, he's not. If it didn't happen, presumably there's not. There won't be any great assessment by the police of how much they believe her claims.Getragdogleg said:
DrBrule said:
A solicitor was present.
It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
Good, he's got that on his side then, I suspect if he has done as his legal rep has suggested and he has proof he was not where she says he was at some of the times the allegations were supposed to have taken place he may manage to get them to believe him but in cases like this the word of the woman is stronger than the word of the accused guy.It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
He's already been punished by being arrested and that in itself has now restricted his travel to certain countries forever.
So all in all the best outcome now is that it is dropped, she of course will have no backlash whatsoever.
Even though I had numerous witness statements and receipts supporting the fact I was 150 miles away with the now Mrs LL and her parents the weekend she alleges things happened, despite verbally telling me they knew she was making things up, I was held in a cell overnight and then bailed for nearly 6 months before eventually getting a phone call to say " the matter had been dropped and no case to answer". However, I never received anything in writing and neither did the police have any interest in pursuing her for wasting their time and / or making false allegations.
Edited by LimmerickLad on Sunday 25th February 13:32
As the split was a while ago,I'm guessing the lad has probably deleted a lot of the messages from his ex,but if not,any messages should be shown to the solicitor.I would assume most stalker-y issues that lead to domestic violence etc are usually on the part of the spurned partner who won't take no for an answer.If its possible he could show it was the girlfriend doing all the begging and it was obvious he had no interest in continuing the relationship,those types of messages might help his side of the story ,in as much as why would he be the aggressor when it plainly shows he had no interest and was doing what he could to distance himself from the other person,not the other way round.
Getragdogleg said:
DrBrule said:
A solicitor was present.
It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
Good, he's got that on his side then, I suspect if he has done as his legal rep has suggested and he has proof he was not where she says he was at some of the times the allegations were supposed to have taken place he may manage to get them to believe him but in cases like this the word of the woman is stronger than the word of the accused guy.It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
He's already been punished by being arrested and that in itself has now restricted his travel to certain countries forever.
So all in all the best outcome now is that it is dropped, she of course will have no backlash whatsoever.
I would look at getting a restraining order in place if possible so there are consequences for her making false accusations. Doesn't take much to destroy someones career, life, etc.
FMOB said:
Getragdogleg said:
DrBrule said:
A solicitor was present.
It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
Good, he's got that on his side then, I suspect if he has done as his legal rep has suggested and he has proof he was not where she says he was at some of the times the allegations were supposed to have taken place he may manage to get them to believe him but in cases like this the word of the woman is stronger than the word of the accused guy.It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
He's already been punished by being arrested and that in itself has now restricted his travel to certain countries forever.
So all in all the best outcome now is that it is dropped, she of course will have no backlash whatsoever.
I would look at getting a restraining order in place if possible so there are consequences for her making false accusations. Doesn't take much to destroy someones career, life, etc.
A mate of mine was beaten by his wife and he phoned the police on her, he was arrested and put in cells for the night and then was told he couldnt go home again while the case was "live". she was cheating on him and he confronted her about it.
The Police bent over backwards to tick the "protect the woman" box, he was treated like scum. She was 100% in the wrong, he was the one who suffered.
DrBrule said:
My partner's son (early 20s) was picked up by the police at 5am on claims of domestic violence and criminal damage
Picked up from where?Anybody else in the house at the time?
How was he "picked up"? Arrested?
For doing what?
Had he been out the night before?
Is he already "known to the police"?
How did the police explain their early arival?
Getragdogleg said:
FMOB said:
Getragdogleg said:
DrBrule said:
A solicitor was present.
It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
Good, he's got that on his side then, I suspect if he has done as his legal rep has suggested and he has proof he was not where she says he was at some of the times the allegations were supposed to have taken place he may manage to get them to believe him but in cases like this the word of the woman is stronger than the word of the accused guy.It didn't happen and there's nothing to support claims it did. She still has a case?
He's already been punished by being arrested and that in itself has now restricted his travel to certain countries forever.
So all in all the best outcome now is that it is dropped, she of course will have no backlash whatsoever.
I would look at getting a restraining order in place if possible so there are consequences for her making false accusations. Doesn't take much to destroy someones career, life, etc.
A mate of mine was beaten by his wife and he phoned the police on her, he was arrested and put in cells for the night and then was told he couldnt go home again while the case was "live". she was cheating on him and he confronted her about it.
The Police bent over backwards to tick the "protect the woman" box, he was treated like scum. She was 100% in the wrong, he was the one who suffered.
Would Clare's Law let a chap know if their female partner had made false accusations, etc. Hmm let me guess, I doubt it but happy to be wrong.
FMOB said:
NRG1976 said:
Surely they need evidence?
With the accusations mentioned, accusation first, protection second, evidence over there and we'll eventually get to look at after the accused has had their life completely screwed!An arrest for domestic violence is one of the red line offences they will demand an in person interview for, which mean a trip to London and an interview with lots of questions. so, again, guilty until you show innocence or have a good explanation. Being you are dealing with US bureaucracy best of luck with that ! You also have to pay for this.
I doubt the accuser will get such sanctions.
Panamax said:
DrBrule said:
My partner's son (early 20s) was picked up by the police at 5am on claims of domestic violence and criminal damage
Picked up from where?His home. he was asleep.
Anybody else in the house at the time?
His partner of 6 months.
How was he "picked up"? Arrested?
Yes.
For doing what?
Domestic violence, criminal coercion and criminal damage.
Had he been out the night before?
No.
Is he already "known to the police"?
No.
How did the police explain their early arrival?
Oh this is good; they said the person dealing with the case started at 7am so they wanted it ready for them. They didn't actually start until midday. He spent 8 hours in totals sitting in a cell.
Panamax said:
DrBrule said:
My partner's son (early 20s) was picked up by the police at 5am on claims of domestic violence and criminal damage
Picked up from where?Anybody else in the house at the time?
How was he "picked up"? Arrested?
For doing what?
Had he been out the night before?
Is he already "known to the police"?
How did the police explain their early arival?
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