Man sues over women only art exhibit
Man sues over women only art exhibit
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FMOB

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1,994 posts

33 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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CountyAFC

4,125 posts

24 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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Don't think he's missed out on much.

Dingu

4,893 posts

51 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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Some people have too much spare time.

Simpo Two

90,825 posts

286 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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Let's have a museum exhibit that only men can see, and see how long it takes for the st to hit the fan. Not long I'm sure.

QJumper

3,238 posts

47 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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It's such a petty thing for people to get worked up over.

I can understand the dissatifaction felt by the visitor who was denied entry, but unfortunately it will be picked up on by others who just like to moan about such things.

I would take a big bet that if it was a trans woman who was denied entry, for not being a "real woman", then those same people would be vociferously defending women's right to have their safe and exclusive space.

akirk

5,775 posts

135 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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interesting... especially the response from the museum that he was not restricted but experienced that artwork as intended - the artwork being designed to be experienced by women and men differently in inclusion / exclusion - to reference the previous discrimination against women...

if nothing else - the museum should win on creative answers!

vikingaero

12,144 posts

190 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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From reading other articles, Mr Lau has challenged it from a principled, but fun POV.

You can bet that if this were a "Men Only" exhibit, there would be 100,000 Karens frothing at the mouth.

superlightr

12,920 posts

284 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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akirk said:
interesting... especially the response from the museum that he was not restricted but experienced that artwork as intended - the artwork being designed to be experienced by women and men differently in inclusion / exclusion - to reference the previous discrimination against women...

if nothing else - the museum should win on creative answers!
yep - thats an interesting argument. He did experience the artwork as intended. (denied something that was desired) What if it said no whites or no blacks as a condition for entry to that exhibit? What if it were 2 exhibits or 10 or the whole thing? is there a number on discrimination -v- art as it were intended?

is "art" excluded from the discriminatory laws? does "art" have to be in a museum or art gallery? could it be in the local pub?

Is a good legal question ( ex solicitor)

NFT

1,324 posts

43 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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On reading article I'm confused.. Did he want to be seated and attended by male butlers "who live to serve"...




BertBert

20,784 posts

232 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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akirk said:
if nothing else - the museum should win on creative answers!
Definitely this!

Vanden Saab

17,201 posts

95 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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BertBert said:
akirk said:
if nothing else - the museum should win on creative answers!
Definitely this!
An artist being creative now there is a thing...

Dave Finney

440 posts

167 months

Thursday 21st March 2024
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It would not surprise me if Lau brought the case on the request of Kaechele! wink

Terminator X

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225 months

Friday 22nd March 2024
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Simpo Two said:
Let's have a museum exhibit that only men can see, and see how long it takes for the st to hit the fan. Not long I'm sure.
Ah but it doesn't work that way, you / me / we hold all the power so can't be discriminated against ...

TX.

Bodo

12,447 posts

287 months

Friday 22nd March 2024
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BBC said:
Artist Kirsha Kaechele calls it an "essential space for perspective and reset from this strange and disjointed world of male domination".

And it's one which could now be taken away by a man.
Aren't the decisions made by courts, not the plaintiffs?

Kowalski655

15,159 posts

164 months

Saturday 30th March 2024
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Article says there were other pieces, like a Picasso, inside the blocked off part, so very arguable he didn't get to experience THOSE pieces as the women did.

anonymous-user

75 months

Sunday 31st March 2024
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“Artist” does “art” by winding people up rather than actually being an artist; standard.

Don’t recall being in a pub with women “living to serve” the male drinkers, unless gobby, well worn landladies count! No idea what the culture is in Aus but the bloke has a point, and there is a valid argument that if we’re going to make a heavy turn towards equality there is a need to keep checks & balances on the discrimination that runs in the opposite direction as that’s equally wrong, like it or not. In this case though I suspect either the whole thing is a setup, or he’s p*ssing into the wind and will just be made to look silly.

Decky_Q

1,912 posts

198 months

Sunday 31st March 2024
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Dave Finney said:
It would not surprise me if Lau brought the case on the request of Kaechele! wink
I'd be fairly sure that they are in league, good way to get free advertisement for your exhibition, and highlight the whole point of it. Convenient.

Blakewater

4,521 posts

178 months

Monday 1st April 2024
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QJumper said:
It's such a petty thing for people to get worked up over.

I can understand the dissatifaction felt by the visitor who was denied entry, but unfortunately it will be picked up on by others who just like to moan about such things.

I would take a big bet that if it was a trans woman who was denied entry, for not being a "real woman", then those same people would be vociferously defending women's right to have their safe and exclusive space.
Who's policing entry to the exhibit? How are they doing it without assuming people's gender? It's impossible to do something like this without addressing the issue of gender identity. There are non-binary people and people who say they feel like men on some days and women on others. Someone doesn't have to present as a woman to identify as a woman and we shouldn't assume someone is a woman based on things like clothes and hair. If Mr Lau and his lawyers want to present a difficult challenge, opening this can of worms would be better than making a two dimensional argument about sex discrimination.

Retroman

975 posts

154 months

Wednesday 3rd April 2024
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I'd probably just go in anyway, regardless and if questioned ask people if they had just assumed my gender with a shocked face.

FMOB

Original Poster:

1,994 posts

33 months

Tuesday 9th April 2024
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Well the court has ruled and said men must be able to enter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-6877018...