Restricted traffic vs pedestrianised street
Restricted traffic vs pedestrianised street
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ScotHill

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Friday 22nd March 2024
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Some schools in residential areas our city have car free zones, set up by TROs which I can't find online but presumably they restrict access to these streets by most vehicles (all except blue badge or permitted local residents) around 9am and around 3pm.

The signs on the street corners detail these restrictions and exemptions but at the top state 'Pedestrian and Cycle Zone' - has the correct sign been used?

Some parents are encouraged by the signs to treat it as more of a pedestrianised street, although to be honest people congregating on the road is pretty much the only thing that dissuades drivers from still trying to cut through!

E-bmw

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173 months

Friday 22nd March 2024
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And your point/question is?

ScotHill

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Friday 22nd March 2024
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The bit in the middle with the question mark - a restricted traffic street has different connotations than a fully pedestrianised street which you might find in a town centre. Sometimes feels like it's giving the wrong message.

I guess a followup question might be - what would a TRO look like for a fully pedestrianised street in a town centre, is that just a restriction of vehicle traffic or does it specifically state how pedestrians may use it? Given that even cobbled shopping streets generally allow delivery vehicles at certain times.

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57 months

Friday 22nd March 2024
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How long do these restrictions last for?

Or is it between those times?

ScotHill

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Friday 22nd March 2024
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Sorry yes it's for 45 minutes around each of those times, but realistically people only care about it for five minutes either side of the school bell. And to be fair some schools have little car traffic around them, while others I'd imagine it's a much bigger problem.

anonymous-user

75 months

Saturday 23rd March 2024
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ScotHill said:
Some schools in residential areas our city have car free zones, set up by TROs which I can't find online but presumably they restrict access to these streets by most vehicles (all except blue badge or permitted local residents) around 9am and around 3pm.

The signs on the street corners detail these restrictions and exemptions but at the top state 'Pedestrian and Cycle Zone' - has the correct sign been used?

Some parents are encouraged by the signs to treat it as more of a pedestrianised street, although to be honest people congregating on the road is pretty much the only thing that dissuades drivers from still trying to cut through!
https://www.cycling-embassy.org.uk/dictionary/pede...


Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 23 March 06:00


Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 23 March 06:03

ScotHill

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Saturday 23rd March 2024
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Yeah that’s the sign, a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) is a legal document that lays out how road users can or cannot use the road.

GasEngineer

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83 months

Saturday 23rd March 2024
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E-bmw said:
And your point/question is?
ScotHill said:
The bit in the middle with the question mark.
Very good !

anonymous-user

75 months

Saturday 23rd March 2024
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ScotHill said:
Yeah that’s the sign, a Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) is a legal document that lays out how road users can or cannot use the road.
I guess that answers your question.

ScotHill

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Saturday 23rd March 2024
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Not really, I’m trying to find out if a traffic restriction TRO is the same as a pedestrianised street TRO, and what signage they should each use.

anonymous-user

75 months

Saturday 23rd March 2024
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ScotHill said:
Not really, I’m trying to find out if a traffic restriction TRO is the same as a pedestrianised street TRO, and what signage they should each use.
Does it matter so long as it's clear who cab use the road for what purpose and when.

ScotHill

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Saturday 23rd March 2024
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It's not though, some residents still zoom down it at 30mph because they've got a permit, and some parents treat it like a pedestrianised street because that's what the sign tells them it is. Publicly they are promoted as car-free zones, which isn't quite the same thing.

I'm sure there were some folk on here who are involved in road planning and have talked about TROs before, can't remember which users though.

anonymous-user

75 months

Saturday 23rd March 2024
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ScotHill said:
It's not though, some residents still zoom down it at 30mph because they've got a permit, and some parents treat it like a pedestrianised street because that's what the sign tells them it is. Publicly they are promoted as car-free zones, which isn't quite the same thing.

I'm sure there were some folk on here who are involved in road planning and have talked about TROs before, can't remember which users though.
A permit to speed, that's a new one Iave not heard of before. A permit to park yes but that doesn't mean you can ignore the speed limits they still apply.

ScotHill

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Saturday 23rd March 2024
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They're 30mph roads, ffs is it remedial week on PH?

The permits are for accessing the roads during restricted times, the only vehicles that can apart from blue badger holders.

Sebring440

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117 months

Saturday 23rd March 2024
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ScotHill said:
apart from blue badger holders.

ScotHill

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Sebring440 said:
Alright I’ll give you that one.

anonymous-user

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Saturday 23rd March 2024
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ScotHill said:
They're 30mph roads,ffs is it remedial week on PH?

The permits are for accessing the roads during restricted times, the only vehicles that can apart from blue badger holders.
What's your excuse...