DVLA fine for late notification of sale

[anonymous-user]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 08 July 2025 at 20:47

[Nickp82]

Definitely not

[Scrump]

No

[Simpo Two]

I hope I never live in a country where you get fined for sending a form back 3 days late. But the very fact you thought it a possibility makes it possible... the State is only going to get bigger.

[Dingu]

Simpo Two said:

I hope I never live in a country where you get fined for sending a form back 3 days late. But the very fact you thought it a possibility makes it possible... the State is only going to get bigger.

That’s quite tin foil hat territory.

[InitialDave]

I took twenty years to tell them about one car and they didn't care.

[Super Sonic]

LR90 said:

Thanks all. The service has now closed (why does an automated online service have opening hours?!) but will do tomorrow.

It's so you can't change ownership at midnight on the last/first day of the month.

[martinbiz]

Simpo Two said:

I hope I never live in a country where you get fined for sending a form back 3 days late. But the very fact you thought it a possibility makes it possible... the State is only going to get bigger.

How bizarre

[Sebring440]

Super Sonic said:

It's so you can't change ownership at midnight on the last/first day of the month.

Or maybe 9-5 hours....?

[Super Sonic]

Sebring440 said:

Or maybe 9-5 hours....?

What does that mean? You want to put it into a sentence?

[BigChungus]

Super Sonic said:

LR90 said:

Thanks all. The service has now closed (why does an automated online service have opening hours?!) but will do tomorrow.

It's so you can't change ownership at midnight on the last/first day of the month.

Not quite, it's so the DVLA et al. doesn't have to pay for 24/7 uptime for AWS. It's why services such as DVLA etc are quite often set to 7am-7pm only.

[Boleros]

Dingu said:

Simpo Two said:

I hope I never live in a country where you get fined for sending a form back 3 days late. But the very fact you thought it a possibility makes it possible... the State is only going to get bigger.

That’s quite tin foil hat territory.

Probably a flat earther to boot.

[Super Sonic]

BigChungus said:

Super Sonic said:

LR90 said:

Thanks all. The service has now closed (why does an automated online service have opening hours?!) but will do tomorrow.

It's so you can't change ownership at midnight on the last/first day of the month.

Not quite, it's so the DVLA et al. doesn't have to pay for 24/7 uptime for AWS. It's why services such as DVLA etc are quite often set to 7am-7pm only.

It does mean, however, that almost every time anybody buys a s/h vehicle, both the seller and the buyer have to tax it for the whole of the month in which it is sold. Kerching!

Edited by Super Sonic on Saturday 29th June 15:35

[BertBert]

Super Sonic said:

It does mean, however, that almost every time anybody buys a s/h vehicle, both the seller and the buyer have to tax it for the whole of the month in which it is sold. Kerching!

Edited by Super Sonic on Saturday 29th June 15:35

This is probably much more value to then. If they are using cloud variable pricing, then they'd pay little for night time use anyway.

[Simpo Two]

Dingu said:

Simpo Two said:

I hope I never live in a country where you get fined for sending a form back 3 days late. But the very fact you thought it a possibility makes it possible... the State is only going to get bigger.

That’s quite tin foil hat territory.

Says the man from the third most surveilled country in the world, where people secretly film other people and send the footage to the police. That's not tin foil, that's real. We just sleepwalked into it. Don't you agree that the State will continue getting bigger?

Super Sonic said:

It does mean, however, that almost every time anybody buys a s/h vehicle, both the seller and the buyer have to tax it for the whole of the month in which it is sold. Kerching!

I worked that out the moment it was introduced! Another 8% road tax overnight.

[BigChungus]

Super Sonic said:

BigChungus said:

Super Sonic said:

LR90 said:

Thanks all. The service has now closed (why does an automated online service have opening hours?!) but will do tomorrow.

It's so you can't change ownership at midnight on the last/first day of the month.

Not quite, it's so the DVLA et al. doesn't have to pay for 24/7 uptime for AWS. It's why services such as DVLA etc are quite often set to 7am-7pm only.

It does mean, however, that almost every time anybody buys a s/h vehicle, both the seller and the buyer have to tax it for the whole of the month in which it is sold. Kerching!

Edited by Super Sonic on Saturday 29th June 15:35

Very true! That’s an added bonus/pain in the arse depending if you’re buying or selling

[Scarletpimpofnel]

Boleros said:

Dingu said:

Simpo Two said:

I hope I never live in a country where you get fined for sending a form back 3 days late. But the very fact you thought it a possibility makes it possible... the State is only going to get bigger.

That’s quite tin foil hat territory.

Probably a flat earther to boot.

Simpo Two is factually correct; I study history going back millennia. Governments only ever add taxes, rules and layers of bureaucracy. I can't think of a time when such burdens have been reduced significantly. Simpo is simply pointing out that if you give governments a revenue generating idea (such as fining people for giving change of owner etc forms back "late") then there is a good chance they will take it sooner or later !

[Super Sonic]

BigChungus said:

Super Sonic said:

BigChungus said:

Super Sonic said:

LR90 said:

Thanks all. The service has now closed (why does an automated online service have opening hours?!) but will do tomorrow.

It's so you can't change ownership at midnight on the last/first day of the month.

Not quite, it's so the DVLA et al. doesn't have to pay for 24/7 uptime for AWS. It's why services such as DVLA etc are quite often set to 7am-7pm only.

It does mean, however, that almost every time anybody buys a s/h vehicle, both the seller and the buyer have to tax it for the whole of the month in which it is sold. Kerching!

Edited by Super Sonic on Saturday 29th June 15:35

Very true! That’s an added bonus/pain in the arse depending if you’re buying or selling

Pita for both, as both have to pay tax for the whole month in which the car is sold.
Only a bonus for the government, as they get double the tax for the month.

[InitialDave]

Super Sonic said:

Pita for both, as both have to pay tax for the whole month in which the car is sold.
Only a bonus for the government, as they get double the tax for the month.

Yup, even just taking the SMMT data (so not even counting private transactions), over 7m used cars are sold per year.

Even if all of those were at the cheaper end with, say, £35 VED, so each "crossover" month being bought rather than just transferred to the new owner isn't even £3, that's about £20m a year from the double-dipping.

[QBee]

InitialDave said:

Super Sonic said:

Pita for both, as both have to pay tax for the whole month in which the car is sold.
Only a bonus for the government, as they get double the tax for the month.

Yup, even just taking the SMMT data (so not even counting private transactions), over 7m used cars are sold per year.

Even if all of those were at the cheaper end with, say, £35 VED, so each "crossover" month being bought rather than just transferred to the new owner isn't even £3, that's about £20m a year from the double-dipping.

In their minds perhaps your extra contribution is simply covering the admin costs involved in dealing with the paperwork/money movements involved in both sides of the transaction?