35 in a 30 with many cars in evidencial picture
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hi all,
Mrs Biker was probably a trivial amount over, however I checked the evidence and the sniper shot from the laser is very oblique past the sides of many cars (who no doubt got NIPs as well!). Looks like fishing to me, I can't see how part of a continuous stream of traffic can be identified like this.
Is this worth arguing for the sake of a SAC or 3pts? if it were a big value ticket I think I would, but she doesn't want to unless a good chance of getting let off.
cheers all.
Mrs Biker was probably a trivial amount over, however I checked the evidence and the sniper shot from the laser is very oblique past the sides of many cars (who no doubt got NIPs as well!). Looks like fishing to me, I can't see how part of a continuous stream of traffic can be identified like this.
Is this worth arguing for the sake of a SAC or 3pts? if it were a big value ticket I think I would, but she doesn't want to unless a good chance of getting let off.
cheers all.
HertsBiker said:
hi all,
Mrs Biker was probably a trivial amount over
Is your title accurate? 35mph in a 30mph? It's clear cut, you have nothing to contest. The cameras are more than capable of catching vehicles out in a crowd unless you're lucky and happen to be behind something that obscures your plate.Mrs Biker was probably a trivial amount over
I'm guessing the number is correct, that was the speed of the traffic stream.
I had thought some leniency at 10% +2 might have happened, also that the angle of the shot appears to contravene articles I'd read before on here. Then there's the fact that an opinion had to be formed about vehicle speed, rather than keeping the trigger pulled and hoping for a catch. I was wondering if anyone had something positive to say regarding it being a suspect ticket.
In the scheme of things she can just pay the tax and be done with it.
I had thought some leniency at 10% +2 might have happened, also that the angle of the shot appears to contravene articles I'd read before on here. Then there's the fact that an opinion had to be formed about vehicle speed, rather than keeping the trigger pulled and hoping for a catch. I was wondering if anyone had something positive to say regarding it being a suspect ticket.
In the scheme of things she can just pay the tax and be done with it.
HertsBiker said:
I'm guessing the number is correct, that was the speed of the traffic stream.
I had thought some leniency at 10% +2 might have happened . . .
Speed of the traffic stream is no defence. Would you jump off a cliff just because the person in front of you did?!I had thought some leniency at 10% +2 might have happened . . .
35 is literally 10% + 2.
HertsBiker said:
I'm guessing the number is correct, that was the speed of the traffic stream.
I had thought some leniency at 10% +2 might have happened, also that the angle of the shot appears to contravene articles I'd read before on here. Then there's the fact that an opinion had to be formed about vehicle speed, rather than keeping the trigger pulled and hoping for a catch. I was wondering if anyone had something positive to say regarding it being a suspect ticket.
In the scheme of things she can just pay the tax and be done with it.
The 10% plus 2 is generally the starting point for a prosecution not the leeway before a prosecution, in addition it's likely the speed on the car was showing over 35 at the time of offenceI had thought some leniency at 10% +2 might have happened, also that the angle of the shot appears to contravene articles I'd read before on here. Then there's the fact that an opinion had to be formed about vehicle speed, rather than keeping the trigger pulled and hoping for a catch. I was wondering if anyone had something positive to say regarding it being a suspect ticket.
In the scheme of things she can just pay the tax and be done with it.
Thank you for your time. I'll recommend a SAC or three points. Twenty years ago it used to be different round here. I guess times have changed and Speed no longer matters unless you are inside the limit. The message that they have pushed has clearly got through to many of you, so much so that I don't know why you frequent this part of the forum. And sad to say, I don't know why I bothered posting. I got a fantastic response to a personal post a few weeks ago which was awesome and unexpectedly good, so it's not all bad 🖖.
The laser system employed is more than capable of picking out an individual vehicle in a line of traffic, it has a fail safe so if the laser is interrupted or other factors are involved, an example would be heavy rain or mist or fog the laser will return an error reading and not record a speed.
10%+2 is not mandatory, in effect if you are doing 31 in a 30 you are over the limit and could be prosecuted.
10%+2 is not mandatory, in effect if you are doing 31 in a 30 you are over the limit and could be prosecuted.
HertsBiker said:
Thank you for your time. I'll recommend a SAC or three points. Twenty years ago it used to be different round here. I guess times have changed and Speed no longer matters unless you are inside the limit. The message that they have pushed has clearly got through to many of you, so much so that I don't know why you frequent this part of the forum. And sad to say, I don't know why I bothered posting. I got a fantastic response to a personal post a few weeks ago which was awesome and unexpectedly good, so it's not all bad ??.
Been this way for a long time mate. IJWS15 said:
Are you sure you have seen the evidence? At this stage most only provide a picture to identify the car.
To see the evidence the driver will need to plead not guilty and give up the chance of a course or fpn.
I've seen advice in similar circumstances where you can ask for additional picture/video evidence to assist with identifying the driver for the S172 response. The consensus seems to be that forces will provide it.To see the evidence the driver will need to plead not guilty and give up the chance of a course or fpn.
HertsBiker said:
Thank you for your time. I'll recommend a SAC or three points. Twenty years ago it used to be different round here. I guess times have changed and Speed no longer matters unless you are inside the limit. The message that they have pushed has clearly got through to many of you, so much so that I don't know why you frequent this part of the forum. And sad to say, I don't know why I bothered posting. I got a fantastic response to a personal post a few weeks ago which was awesome and unexpectedly good, so it's not all bad ??.
Did you just want smoke blowing up your arse instead of the accurate answers you got? Snowflakery at its height….Sebring440 said:
HertsBiker said:
I guess times have changed and Speed no longer matters unless you are inside the limit. And sad to say, I don't know why I bothered posting.
No, don't be disheartened. It was a very good "How can I get out of this...?" thread.Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff