Are sex crimes getting lighter sentences?
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I've seen a few news reports where the sex perp has got pretty light sentences for serious crimes. Has something changed?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6ljzzlle6o.amp
"In October, driving instructor Michael Florek, 64, from Gloucestershire, was found guilty of sexually assaulting five of his students during lessons.
He was given a suspended prison sentence and banned from the profession for 10 years."
5 sexual assaults in a position of trust, and pretty much gets off..
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6ljzzlle6o.amp
"In October, driving instructor Michael Florek, 64, from Gloucestershire, was found guilty of sexually assaulting five of his students during lessons.
He was given a suspended prison sentence and banned from the profession for 10 years."
5 sexual assaults in a position of trust, and pretty much gets off..
mickythefish said:
I've seen a few news reports where the sex perp has got pretty light sentences for serious crimes. Has something changed?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6ljzzlle6o.amp
"In October, driving instructor Michael Florek, 64, from Gloucestershire, was found guilty of sexually assaulting five of his students during lessons.
He was given a suspended prison sentence and banned from the profession for 10 years."
5 sexual assaults in a position of trust, and pretty much gets off..
A 10 year ban from his source of livelihood is hardly getting off. Although he won’t be ‘getting off’ in his car any more. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6ljzzlle6o.amp
"In October, driving instructor Michael Florek, 64, from Gloucestershire, was found guilty of sexually assaulting five of his students during lessons.
He was given a suspended prison sentence and banned from the profession for 10 years."
5 sexual assaults in a position of trust, and pretty much gets off..
Fast and Spurious said:
Swindon double rapist, imported, 6 years, out in 3. Sentences getting longer? You're having a laugh.
Labour letting them out early.
When the riots cases were going on there was an unprecedented movement by stalimer to dictate to the courts what they should do, which is totally against all rules.Labour letting them out early.
A quick Google shows this case, driving instructor, 1 sex assault and Voyeurism, 8 months inside
https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/northamptons...
Wouldn't suprise me if labour had issued secret guidelines to judges as they have been letting rapists out to fill them up with people who said bad things in twitter .
Fast and Spurious said:
Swindon double rapist, imported, 6 years, out in 3. Sentences getting longer? You're having a laugh.
Labour letting them out early.
Not sure I understand. I've given you the facts. Sentences are getting longer. Here's another link, showing how the average sentence has almost doubled since 2000:Labour letting them out early.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100628/prison...
The only reason we're having to let them out slightly earlier is that prisons are full... because sentences are getting longer, and we're not building more prisons. Why otherwise would they be so full, given that crime is at the lowest level its ever been:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67161967
Rhodrich said:
Not sure I understand. I've given you the facts. Sentences are getting longer. Here's another link, showing how the average sentence has almost doubled since 2000:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100628/prison...
The only reason we're having to let them out slightly earlier is that prisons are full... because sentences are getting longer, and we're not building more prisons. Why otherwise would they be so full, given that crime is at the lowest level its ever been:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67161967
Crime at its lowest level or detection and convictions?https://www.statista.com/statistics/1100628/prison...
The only reason we're having to let them out slightly earlier is that prisons are full... because sentences are getting longer, and we're not building more prisons. Why otherwise would they be so full, given that crime is at the lowest level its ever been:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67161967
mickythefish said:
I've seen a few news reports where the sex perp has got pretty light sentences for serious crimes. Has something changed?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6ljzzlle6o.amp
"In October, driving instructor Michael Florek, 64, from Gloucestershire, was found guilty of sexually assaulting five of his students during lessons.
He was given a suspended prison sentence and banned from the profession for 10 years."
5 sexual assaults in a position of trust, and pretty much gets off..
Sexual assault can mean anything from stroking someone's leg to basically - or even worse than - rape. Without knowing the details of the offences it's impossible to know if that's an abberation or in line with sentencing guidelines. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6ljzzlle6o.amp
"In October, driving instructor Michael Florek, 64, from Gloucestershire, was found guilty of sexually assaulting five of his students during lessons.
He was given a suspended prison sentence and banned from the profession for 10 years."
5 sexual assaults in a position of trust, and pretty much gets off..
Not only are sex crimes getting far longer sentences now, historical ones are being taken much more seriously and it's one of the reasons behind our prison crisis - we made the laws harsher and toughened up enforcement but didn't bother building more prisons. Leading to letting them out. Which is moronic.
Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Sunday 15th December 22:40
Somewhatfoolish said:
Sexual assault can mean anything from stroking someone's leg...
That's the thing. You see the term 'sexual assault' and think 'rape'. Perhaps things would be clearer with new categories, eg 'leg touching' - which might be swiftly redressed by a slap from the recipient, not jail.Simpo Two said:
Somewhatfoolish said:
Sexual assault can mean anything from stroking someone's leg...
That's the thing. You see the term 'sexual assault' and think 'rape'. Perhaps things would be clearer with new categories, eg 'leg touching' - which might be swiftly redressed by a slap from the recipient, not jail.mickythefish said:
When the riots cases were going on there was an unprecedented movement by stalimer to dictate to the courts what they should do, which is totally against all rules.
A quick Google shows this case, driving instructor, 1 sex assault and Voyeurism, 8 months inside
https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/northamptons...
Wouldn't suprise me if labour had issued secret guidelines to judges as they have been letting rapists out to fill them up with people who said bad things in twitter .
Sentencing guidelines to judges are published for everyone to read if they wish. A quick Google shows this case, driving instructor, 1 sex assault and Voyeurism, 8 months inside
https://hellorayo.co.uk/greatest-hits/northamptons...
Wouldn't suprise me if labour had issued secret guidelines to judges as they have been letting rapists out to fill them up with people who said bad things in twitter .
The issue here, as said, is that sexual assault varies dramatically in level of severity and it is that which impacts the sentence
To answer the OP, the sexual assault sentencing guideline has been in place since 2014.
Going off the scant information in the article, it would seem to me that the starting point may have been category A3 with some aggravating factors (multiple victims, unwanted sexual comments made) which would take a starting point of 6 months and bring it up to 14. Then the judge considers everything in the round and decides whether immediate custody or whether the sentence can be suspended (in this case deciding that it was, and throwing in some community service for good measure) as well as 10 years on the register. Without knowing many of the facts it looks like a pretty standard sentencing exercise.
But hey, "Labour giving secret orders to judges" sounds more fun
Going off the scant information in the article, it would seem to me that the starting point may have been category A3 with some aggravating factors (multiple victims, unwanted sexual comments made) which would take a starting point of 6 months and bring it up to 14. Then the judge considers everything in the round and decides whether immediate custody or whether the sentence can be suspended (in this case deciding that it was, and throwing in some community service for good measure) as well as 10 years on the register. Without knowing many of the facts it looks like a pretty standard sentencing exercise.
But hey, "Labour giving secret orders to judges" sounds more fun
Edited by whimsical ninja on Monday 16th December 07:45
Silvanus said:
Didn't take long for the Grrrr Labour.
problem is he is ruling through courts, deciding which crimes deserve punishment and which don't. he is clearly someone who is used to not listening to others, this can become very dangerous, and lying.https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-some-sex-o...
''Some serious sexual offenders and other violent criminals will be released under Labour’s prisoner early release scheme despite government assurances that serious crimes would be excluded from the policy, Channel 4 News understands. ''
mickythefish said:
problem is he is ruling through courts, deciding which crimes deserve punishment and which don't. he is clearly someone who is used to not listening to others, this can become very dangerous, and lying.
Although absolute claptrap I thought you would like that since you view Russia as the best place to emigrate to? Dingu said:
Although absolute claptrap I thought you would like that since you view Russia as the best place to emigrate to?
Not my wordshttps://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-keir-starm...
How Keir Starmer plans to rule through the courts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2kjdjylnqyo
Rioters can expect rapid sentencing, says Starmer
''Starmer’s order to the judiciary to accelerate the prosecution and conviction of the rioters has passed without much comment, probably because it’s easy to think that fascist, racist thugs deserve whatever comes to them – but even in cases of such terrorism the legal process must be allowed to take its due course without interference or even undue pressure from political figures.''
from a left wing website. https://skwawkbox.org/2024/08/09/starmers-barely-a...
mickythefish said:
Dingu said:
Although absolute claptrap I thought you would like that since you view Russia as the best place to emigrate to?
Not my wordshttps://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-keir-starm...
How Keir Starmer plans to rule through the courts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2kjdjylnqyo
Rioters can expect rapid sentencing, says Starmer
''Starmer’s order to the judiciary to accelerate the prosecution and conviction of the rioters has passed without much comment, probably because it’s easy to think that fascist, racist thugs deserve whatever comes to them – but even in cases of such terrorism the legal process must be allowed to take its due course without interference or even undue pressure from political figures.''
from a left wing website. https://skwawkbox.org/2024/08/09/starmers-barely-a...
Dingu said:
Your criticism are your words. You support it, you admire Russia. Make your mind up Micky.
nothing to do with this topic, just seems like you don't like the subject so attack a post I made months ago, and not sure how i support Russia. (i'm a hiker i like mountains there btw)Maybe educate yourself better rather than resorting to the lowest form of strawman arguments.
Whats you comment on the subject, all lies?
mickythefish said:
Dingu said:
Your criticism are your words. You support it, you admire Russia. Make your mind up Micky.
nothing to do with this topic, just seems like you don't like the subject so attack a post I made months ago, and not sure how i support Russia. (i'm a hiker i like mountains there btw)Maybe educate yourself better rather than resorting to the lowest form of strawman arguments.
Whats you comment on the subject, all lies?
I also notice you don’t pass any comment on why there is early release in the first place.
In any case as others noted, no sentences aren’t getting lighter so the whole OP has been resolved. HTH.
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