Speeding claptrap from the Police

[Tom8]

Not sure what is more shocking, the numbers or the Seat Leon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvz79d079o

Whilst not defending the driver of the Porsche, but honest citizen is done for excessive speeding (fair enough) but crims on cloned plates etc get away free.

[robinessex]

Selfish drivers doing 164mph must stop, police say

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvz79d079o

Drivers have been recorded travelling at 164mph (264km/h) on Britain's roads, prompting a warning from police for people to stop being so selfish and to realise speed kills.................continues

Enjoy a few moments reading this complete rubbish

[GeniusOfLove]

I'm no health and safety nonce when it comes to speeding but I can see why doing 164MPH on a public road (in a car with cloned plates) might raise an eyebrow

The bereaved relative/mother stuff is always nonsense, I'm sorry for their loss but they aren't best placed to take an objective or rational view on invasive measures to control how people drive.

[Acorn1]

164mph!

That's impressive albeit dangerous and stupid!

[Every day a journey]

something isn't quite right...

"Greater Manchester Police said a driver clocked at 164mph (264km/h) on the M62 in 2023 was using a cloned number plate.

Kent Police confirmed they were unable to trace the driver of a Seat Leon travelling at the same speed on the M25 in Swanley in 2022."

A Seat Leon doing 164mph????

[droopsnoot]

Every day a journey said:

something isn't quite right...

"Greater Manchester Police said a driver clocked at 164mph (264km/h) on the M62 in 2023 was using a cloned number plate.

Kent Police confirmed they were unable to trace the driver of a Seat Leon travelling at the same speed on the M25 in Swanley in 2022."

A Seat Leon doing 164mph????

I recall something on one of the Traffic Cops programmes where they'd chased something that seemed quite nondescript and lost it at 140+ mph, I was surprised it would go that quickly. It does seem unlikely.

[BlackTails]

Every day a journey said:

A Seat Leon doing 164mph????

I wondered about that too. But maybe it had had some work done to it.

Also this quote: Ch Insp Craig West said: "Speed does kill.
People need to reduce their speed and not drive to the full speed limit."

The messaging there could be read as every speed limit in the country is set at a dangerous speed. Never go that fast.

So, 25 mph on the three lane elevated DC that is the A40 Westway it is.



* I find this very tiresome. Speed per se doesn’t kill. Otherwise arriving passenger planes would be filled with cadavers. Sudden decelerations and impacts can kill.

[Dunclane]

I've always said there's "Speeding" then there's "SPEEDING", there's a massive difference between doing 34 in a 30 or 80 on the motorway then 50, 60 or even 70 in a 30 which happens fairly regularly in the village I live in.

Controversial opinion on here but any reason why all cars shouldn't be limited to 90 or 100mph? Admittedly won't stop people doing it in a 30 but would stop them having to be scraped off the motorway after a 150mph pile-up.

[KobayashiMaru86]

Ch Insp Craig West said: "Speed does kill. People need to reduce their speed and not drive to the full speed limit."

No, they do need to drive to the limits where conditions allow. This is how we end up with middle lane hoggers doing 60 under the illusion slower is safer.

[Mannginger]

Every day a journey said:

something isn't quite right...

"Greater Manchester Police said a driver clocked at 164mph (264km/h) on the M62 in 2023 was using a cloned number plate.

Kent Police confirmed they were unable to trace the driver of a Seat Leon travelling at the same speed on the M25 in Swanley in 2022."

A Seat Leon doing 164mph????

That's what stood out to me as well! Would make me question the accuracy of the kit involved!

[mac96]

The bit that always irritates me is not so much the 'speed kills' stuff , as you can take it that the word 'inappropriate' is implied.

It is the suggestion that exceeding the speed limit causes accidents. It is not just a rare cause of accidents, it must be a practically non existent cause of accidents. It is trying to make two separate causes out of one thing ( speed inappropriate to the circumstances) in order to double count speed contributions to accidents.

I am not trying to justify driving ridiculously fast either; just that this obsession with speed allows all the dangerously distracted / not paying attention drivers to bumble on pretending that they are safe and learning nothing, because they only break speed limits because they haven't noticed them, rather than deliberately. Using really rare outliers (164mph!) makes this mindset even worse- I would never drive at 164mph, therefor I am a good driver.

[Peterpetrole]

mac96 said:

The bit that always irritates me is not so much the 'speed kills' stuff , as you can take it that the word 'inappropriate' is implied.

It is the suggestion that exceeding the speed limit causes accidents. It is not just a rare cause of accidents, it must be a practically non existent cause of accidents. It is trying to make two separate causes out of one thing ( speed inappropriate to the circumstances) in order to double count speed contributions to accidents.

I am not trying to justify driving ridiculously fast either; just that this obsession with speed allows all the dangerously distracted / not paying attention drivers to bumble on pretending that they are safe and learning nothing, because they only break speed limits because they haven't noticed them, rather than deliberately. Using really rare outliers (164mph!) makes this mindset even worse- I would never drive at 164mph, therefor I am a good driver.

I've used this argument many times on many speed awareness courses, and usually the instructor agrees with me, but it obviously doesn't change anything......

[TheJimi]

Tom8 said:

Not sure what is more shocking, the numbers or the Seat Leon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjvz79d079o

Whilst not defending the driver of the Porsche, but honest citizen is done for excessive speeding (fair enough) but crims on cloned plates etc get away free.

My guess is that the Leon driver planned to do a high speed run, and while accepting the risks associated it with this, decided to take the further risk of using cloned plates for the run to mitigate cameras - and it paid off.

[fuzzymonkey]

Peterpetrole said:

I've used this argument many times on many speed awareness courses, and usually the instructor agrees with me, but it obviously doesn't change anything......

Maybe the courses arent working if you keep getting sent on them many times....

[BikeBikeBIke]

Dunclane said:

Controversial opinion on here but any reason why all cars shouldn't be limited to 90 or 100mph?

I can't say I like the idea but I find it impossible to logically make a case against that.

[Vasco]

KobayashiMaru86 said:

Ch Insp Craig West said: "Speed does kill. People need to reduce their speed and not drive to the full speed limit."

No, they do need to drive to the limits where conditions allow. This is how we end up with middle lane hoggers doing 60 under the illusion slower is safer.

No, there is no need to 'drive to the limits'. Not everybody wants to drive fast, it's not a race track.

[Greendubber]

Every day a journey said:

something isn't quite right...

"Greater Manchester Police said a driver clocked at 164mph (264km/h) on the M62 in 2023 was using a cloned number plate.

Kent Police confirmed they were unable to trace the driver of a Seat Leon travelling at the same speed on the M25 in Swanley in 2022."

A Seat Leon doing 164mph????

Yep, the Cupras are circa 300bhp and no slouch.

[captain_cynic]

TheJimi said:

My guess is that the Leon driver planned to do a high speed run, and while accepting the risks associated it with this, decided to take the further risk of using cloned plates for the run to mitigate cameras - and it paid off.

Probably badly modified too in order to achieve those speeds.

Boost increased and hoping the stock internals don't go pop.

[mac96]

Peterpetrole said:

mac96 said:

The bit that always irritates me is not so much the 'speed kills' stuff , as you can take it that the word 'inappropriate' is implied.

It is the suggestion that exceeding the speed limit causes accidents. It is not just a rare cause of accidents, it must be a practically non existent cause of accidents. It is trying to make two separate causes out of one thing ( speed inappropriate to the circumstances) in order to double count speed contributions to accidents.

I am not trying to justify driving ridiculously fast either; just that this obsession with speed allows all the dangerously distracted / not paying attention drivers to bumble on pretending that they are safe and learning nothing, because they only break speed limits because they haven't noticed them, rather than deliberately. Using really rare outliers (164mph!) makes this mindset even worse- I would never drive at 164mph, therefor I am a good driver.

I've used this argument many times on many speed awareness courses, and usually the instructor agrees with me, but it obviously doesn't change anything......

Indeed! I'd hope for better though from Police officers who, seeing the consequences, must be more motivated than the rest of us to reduce accidents.

[martinbiz]

captain_cynic said:

TheJimi said:

My guess is that the Leon driver planned to do a high speed run, and while accepting the risks associated it with this, decided to take the further risk of using cloned plates for the run to mitigate cameras - and it paid off.

Probably badly modified too in order to achieve those speeds.

Boost increased and hoping the stock internals don't go pop.

Why is everyone on here so clueless about car top speeds. A standard Cupra Copa FR with 280hp and will do 158, so not much modding needed to get to 164. My first original 2006 Focus ST had a top speed over 150