Barn Finds and Dormant Number Plates

Barn Finds and Dormant Number Plates

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Madscanner

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543 posts

208 months

Sunday 9th February
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Hi

I've had a search through the forums and, while I've seen bits of some posts that might apply, I wanted to take this a bit further before I contact the DVLA Sensitive Enquiries team, and looking at the art of what is possible, rather than just aspirational.

My partner's mother died a few months back and I am assisting her with some of the admin on probate. Specifically, I have been asked to find out how to proceed re two older vehicles on the property.

The context is that my partner's father died some years ago, and on his death, all his property was inherited by his wife. This included two vehicles that had been off the road for decades - a mid-50s motorcycle and an early-60s ambulance.

Both vehicles still have their original number plates but neither vehicle shows up on the DVLA online database (but hopefully are still on the microfiche archive). It appears neither has been used on the road since the early 70s.

The ambulance is, as far as I can determine, far too far gone for restoration (although it might yield some parts, e.g. windows) and will likely go for scrap. The motorcycle is rough but still a good candidate for restoration, having been stored inside for years.

The two questions I have are:

How do we go about getting a V5 for each vehicle quoting the original number plates - is it as simple as my partner (the executor) requesting a replacement V5 using a V62?

If we obtain the V5s, how do we go about selling the registration on the ambulance (or if that is even possible)?

Again, for context, no-one in the family is aware of the father having ever sold on the number plates for either vehicle.

(there are two more cars and another motorcycle, but they are straight-forward, as they are much more recent)




Edited by Madscanner on Sunday 9th February 13:52


Edited by Madscanner on Sunday 9th February 14:45

Scrump

23,384 posts

172 months

Sunday 9th February
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V62 should get the required V5C.
Taking the plate off the vehicles may be difficult. They seem to have no SORN in place so will need to move under their own power and have a current MOT, details here:
https://www.gov.uk/personalised-vehicle-registrati...

SS427 Camaro

7,405 posts

184 months

Sunday 9th February
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Just because the vehicles don’t show on the online system, doesn’t mean that DVLA don’t have a record of the vehicles.
Il pm you.

FlyVintage

177 posts

5 months

Sunday 9th February
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It is likely that if DVLA agree to reassign the number plate to the current vehicles through historical continuity alone then it will be on a non-transferable basis. Certainly a better idea is to find some old paperwork to support a V5C application.

martinbiz

3,574 posts

159 months

Sunday 9th February
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Madscanner said:
Hi

I've had a search through the forums and, while I've seen bits of some posts that might apply, I wanted to take this a bit further before I contact the DVLA Sensitive Enquiries team, and looking at the art of what is possible, rather than just aspirational.

My partner's mother died a few months back and I am assisting her with some of the admin on probate. Specifically, I have been asked to find out how to proceed re two older vehicles on the property.

The context is that my partner's father died some years ago, and on his death, all his property was inherited by his wife. This included two vehicles that had been off the road for decades - a mid-50s motorcycle and an early-60s ambulance.

Both vehicles still have their original number plates but neither vehicle shows up on the DVLA online database (but hopefully are still on the microfiche archive). It appears neither has been used on the road since the early 70s.

The ambulance is, as far as I can determine, far too far gone for restoration (although it might yield some parts, e.g. windows) and will likely go for scrap. The motorcycle is rough but still a good candidate for restoration, having been stored inside for years.

The two questions I have are:

How do we go about getting a V5 for each vehicle quoting the original number plates - is it as simple as my partner (the executor) requesting a replacement V5 using a V62?

If we obtain the V5s, how do we go about selling the registration on the ambulance (or if that is even possible)?

Again, for context, no-one in the family is aware of the father having ever sold on the number plates for either vehicle.

(there are two more cars and another motorcycle, but they are straight-forward, as they are much more recent)




Edited by Madscanner on Sunday 9th February 13:52


Edited by Madscanner on Sunday 9th February 14:45
If the ambulance is beyond saving then there is no point in doing anything

For the bike just apply forthe V5C and change the status to historic, no MOT required

Done this for a couple of bikes that had not seen the light of day for 40 plus years without any issues

R6tty

704 posts

29 months

Sunday 9th February
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It does say in the above link that an MOT is required, even if it's an 'historic vehicle' not needing an MOT. A question I've often wondered.

martinbiz

3,574 posts

159 months

Sunday 9th February
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R6tty said:
It does say in the above link that an MOT is required, even if it's an 'historic vehicle' not needing an MOT. A question I've often wondered.
Not if you have changed the status to historic, I have done it only a couple of years ago

R6tty

704 posts

29 months

Sunday 9th February
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I'm still intrigued. This is the Gov. quote:

If you have a historic (classic) vehicle you’ll also need a current MOT certificate, even if your vehicle is usually exempt from MOTs.

Madscanner

Original Poster:

543 posts

208 months

Sunday 9th February
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R6tty said:
I'm still intrigued. This is the Gov. quote:

If you have a historic (classic) vehicle you’ll also need a current MOT certificate, even if your vehicle is usually exempt from MOTs.
The link referred to relates to the use of a personalized plate, rather than the actual original plate, so may not be relevant.

Madscanner

Original Poster:

543 posts

208 months

Sunday 9th February
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Well, so far, it looks like a V62 for a new V5C, and then a V112 to declare the Historic tax class exemption.

Interesting that this will also apply to the much newer 81 Suzuki 125S, as it is now over 40 years old.

Why do I feel that this seems too simple and straight-forward? smile

R6tty

704 posts

29 months

Sunday 9th February
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OK
So worth a try on both vehicles then? If you can get the V5s. I believe they may want to inspect and may flag up due to circumstances. (This happened with one of my cars many years ago, but they may not have the resouces now. We had local DVLA offices then).
So I could have got the old plate off my late Dad's 'bike. Long gone now..

martinbiz

3,574 posts

159 months

Sunday 9th February
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R6tty said:
OK
So worth a try on both vehicles then? If you can get the V5s. I believe they may want to inspect and may flag up due to circumstances. (This happened with one of my cars many years ago, but they may not have the resouces now. We had local DVLA offices then).
So I could have got the old plate off my late Dad's 'bike. Long gone now..
Could be, when I did the last one it was using the existing 1967 plate on the bike, it was rotting aeay in a shed but without any paperwork. Looks like this a couple of years later

SS427 Camaro

7,405 posts

184 months

Sunday 9th February
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martinbiz said:
Could be, when I did the last one it was using the existing 1967 plate on the bike, it was rotting aeay in a shed but without any paperwork. Looks like this a couple of years later
Nice looking first series Avenger. I have a late one that is incomplete, I want shot of.

Jeremy-75qq8

1,371 posts

106 months

Monday 10th February
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I did this with a Honda monkey bike many years ago.

We have it running now and I looked at the v5 recently.

There is a stipulation ( no idea why ) that the plate cannot be transfered.