No MOT or tax - book MOT for Monday but set off Sunday

No MOT or tax - book MOT for Monday but set off Sunday

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2fa

Original Poster:

37 posts

5 months

Sunday 16th February
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How understanding would bib be if I took the piss and booked an MOT for an untaxed car without one, that I just bought, for the day after I collected it?

Main reason would be that I can only collect on a Sunday and the garage isn't open until the Monday.

So collect, drive it to my home, next day drive it to MOT.

I could book an MOT on the Sunday somewhere else as well as keeping the Monday booking I guess.

Not sure who does MOT tests on Sundays.

Not sure you can make 2 bookings.

It would be insured btw.



Sheepshanks

36,912 posts

133 months

Sunday 16th February
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2fa said:
It would be insured btw.

Are you sure? It's very common for policies to say the car must have an MOT if needed.

Kateg28

1,365 posts

177 months

Sunday 16th February
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I bought a car in Ireland and drove it back on a Sunday and drove straight to my local garage who had it booked in for an MOT the next day. I drove across Ireland, onto the ferry and then through Wales to Hertfordshire.

All legal and all properly insured. As long as I drove straight to the garage, not to my home address.

The car failed and had to be driven to another location for remedial work and then it was MOT there after the work, which took a few weeks. All the time it was insured although the Insurers did want regular updates and were anxious for the MOT.

DVLA also said this was fine (couldn’t tax the vehicle without the MOT) but stated I couldn’t stop for any reason, not even for fuel. This part I sort of ignored. I did stop for fuel, twice, but otherwise I stuck to the requirements.

2fa

Original Poster:

37 posts

5 months

Sunday 16th February
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Actually that's quite a good idea.

I could just drive it to the garage on Sunday and leave it there for an MOT on Monday.

He's not too far away from my home.

Still naughty I guess but hopefully not full gangsta.

Simpo Two

88,855 posts

279 months

Sunday 16th February
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Kateg28 said:
I bought a car in Ireland and drove it back on a Sunday and drove straight to my local garage who had it booked in for an MOT the next day. I drove across Ireland, onto the ferry and then through Wales to Hertfordshire....

DVLA also said this was fine (couldn’t tax the vehicle without the MOT) but stated I couldn’t stop for any reason
We now take you back to the starting point in Ireland where the DVLA official who thought up that nonsensical idea is limbering up before their epic attempt to get to Hertfordshire without a pee break...

E-bmw

10,961 posts

166 months

Sunday 16th February
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Sheepshanks said:
2fa said:
It would be insured btw.

Are you sure? It's very common for policies to say the car must have an MOT if needed.
Not really actually common though is it?

They pretty much all say the car must be "roadworthy" and to play devils advocate, a car without an MOT isn't necessarily unroadworthy as a car with an MOT isn't necessarily roadworthy either.

paul_c123

706 posts

7 months

Sunday 16th February
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2fa said:
Actually that's quite a good idea.

I could just drive it to the garage on Sunday and leave it there for an MOT on Monday.

He's not too far away from my home.

Still naughty I guess but hopefully not full gangsta.
Just do this - drive it directly from the collection location to the garage. You could take the keys home with you and drop them off Monday, or if the garage has a key deposit, leave it with them. You'd need to pre-book though.

BertBert

20,290 posts

225 months

Sunday 16th February
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E-bmw said:
Not really actually common though is it?

They pretty much all say the car must be "roadworthy" and to play devils advocate, a car without an MOT isn't necessarily unroadworthy as a car with an MOT isn't necessarily roadworthy either.
Agreed, in fact I think it's a pretty rare one these days.

The clause when I saw one once said must have an MoT if it is legally required. So if legally driving to the Mot using the exemption all fine. If the OP had it in their insurance terms it would mean they were gambling with not being uninsured should the worst happen. Anyway it won't be in their policy so not a consideration.

Sheepshanks

36,912 posts

133 months

Sunday 16th February
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BertBert said:
Agreed, in fact I think it's a pretty rare one these days.

The clause when I saw one once said must have an MoT if it is legally required. So if legally driving to the Mot using the exemption all fine. If the OP had it in their insurance terms it would mean they were gambling with not being uninsured should the worst happen. Anyway it won't be in their policy so not a consideration.
It's in my LV (I think a fairly recent change) and Admiral (been there as long as I can remember) policies, so that's going to be quite a lot.

It'd be fine driving directly to an MOT test as cover isn't requred.

MadCaptainJack

1,188 posts

54 months

Sunday 16th February
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Kateg28 said:
DVLA also said this was fine (couldn’t tax the vehicle without the MOT) but stated I couldn’t stop for any reason, not even for fuel.
What a bunch of clowns.

Jakg

3,770 posts

182 months

Sunday 16th February
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Kateg28 said:
DVLA also said this was fine (couldn’t tax the vehicle without the MOT) but stated I couldn’t stop for any reason, not even for fuel. This part I sort of ignored. I did stop for fuel, twice, but otherwise I stuck to the requirements.
I recall reading that there was an example where stopping to buy cigarettes was considered lawful, although good luck arguing that at the roadside.

https://www.mx5nutz.com/threads/driving-an-untaxed...

SS2.

14,603 posts

252 months

Sunday 16th February
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Kateg28 said:
DVLA also said this was fine (couldn’t tax the vehicle without the MOT) but stated I couldn’t stop for any reason, not even for fuel.
Just as well DVLA does not determine road traffic legislation.

Sheepshanks said:
It'd be fine driving directly to an MOT test as cover isn't requred.
A vehicle is required to be insured at all times when it is being used on a road or other public place.

littleredrooster

5,905 posts

210 months

Sunday 16th February
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Dear God please make it stop and go away.

Again.

Kateg28

1,365 posts

177 months

Sunday 16th February
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Simpo Two said:
Kateg28 said:
I bought a car in Ireland and drove it back on a Sunday and drove straight to my local garage who had it booked in for an MOT the next day. I drove across Ireland, onto the ferry and then through Wales to Hertfordshire....

DVLA also said this was fine (couldn’t tax the vehicle without the MOT) but stated I couldn’t stop for any reason
We now take you back to the starting point in Ireland where the DVLA official who thought up that nonsensical idea is limbering up before their epic attempt to get to Hertfordshire without a pee break...
They didn’t care about the Irish part, just when I disembarked in Wales. I said that I would not stop except obviously for fuel, and the call handler said I was not allowed to do that. I laughed and he said he was being serious. I queried it but he wasn’t budging. I decided I wasn’t getting anywhere so ended the conversation.
To be honest I am still amazed I spoke to a person at the DVLA although this was about 12 years ago (still have the car, a 35 year old MK1 MR2 supercharger).

sixor8

6,943 posts

282 months

Sunday 16th February
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This 'not insured' b***x again. You're allowed to drive to an MoT test with an untaxed (or SORN) car so the insurance is valid for that purpose. In fact, you can buy insurance by the day or even a few hours from some companies and select this as the reason for buying it!

What can be an issue though is if you break down. Most break own policies insist the car must have a valid MoT. frown

Sheepshanks

36,912 posts

133 months

Sunday 16th February
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sixor8 said:
This 'not insured' b***x again. You're allowed to drive to an MoT test with an untaxed (or SORN) car so the insurance is valid for that purpose.
Yes, but if you read the OP the car was going to drive it home first, then to MOT next day. He assured us it would be insured for the drive home.

Sebring440

2,695 posts

110 months

Sunday 16th February
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Sheepshanks said:
Yes, but if you read the OP the car was going to drive it home first, then to MOT next day. He assured us it would be insured for the drive home.
Yes, but you said: "driving directly to an MOT test as cover isn't required.", which, of course, is bo||ocks.

OutInTheShed

11,179 posts

40 months

Sunday 16th February
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sixor8 said:
This 'not insured' b***x again. You're allowed to drive to an MoT test with an untaxed (or SORN) car so the insurance is valid for that purpose. In fact, you can buy insurance by the day or even a few hours from some companies and select this as the reason for buying it!

What can be an issue though is if you break down. Most break own policies insist the car must have a valid MoT. frown
You're insured for whatever your contract with your insurance company says you're insured for.
If your side of the bargain requires you to have a valid MOT, it's best to have a valid MOT.

Sheepshanks

36,912 posts

133 months

Sunday 16th February
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Sebring440 said:
Sheepshanks said:
Yes, but if you read the OP the car was going to drive it home first, then to MOT next day. He assured us it would be insured for the drive home.
Yes, but you said: "driving directly to an MOT test as cover isn't required.", which, of course, is bo||ocks.
Cover by an MOT. Obviously insurance is always needed.

Olivera

8,074 posts

253 months

Sunday 16th February
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OutInTheShed said:
You're insured for whatever your contract with your insurance company says you're insured for.
If your side of the bargain requires you to have a valid MOT, it's best to have a valid MOT.
IIRC the Insurance Ombudsman has ruled on several occasions that a lack of MOT is not a sufficient reason to refuse a claim, regardless of what the policy states.