Parking on Pavement NIP

[elliottkillingbeck]

I have deleted my initial message from this topic.
I’m not here to be berated.

I’m here to have a civil discussion, as if I was having a chat with someone face to face.

I try and see the good in people, instead of jumping to the negative straight away.
Thanks to those that were actually decent, to the rest - you’ve set back my faith in people in general, years.

Edited by elliottkillingbeck on Monday 10th March 19:53

[PistonTim]

Surely this has got to be a wind up post?

[Muzzer79]

elliottkillingbeck said:

First off, I did park on the pavement - that's on me. I'll take it on the chin.

I've received a NIP today for the alleged offence of "Cause vehicle to be left in a dangerous position".
This was in Birmingham (Marston Green), on a Saturday night, and I was gone by 8:30 the next morning.
Private road, between two other cars, all 3 of whihc were partially on the pavement. My vehicle was more so on the pavement, to avoud blocking egress of a driveway opposite, and the bushes overgrown into the path didnt help to be fair.

Returned to my vehicle in the morning, saw a guy walking the opposite way, past me, and clocked him turn round when he realised I was the one going towards my vehicle. He accosted me, started hurling abuse and took a photo (the one sent to police I assume), and I just nodded, let him get on with it and left.

Now, my question is - is this really a criminal matter? Or is it not a civil matter....
I'm struggling to see how having my vehicle parked (on the unlit side of the road) against some overgrown bushes overnight, between two other vehicles you'd never squeeze a wheelchair or pushchair down the side of, constitutes DANGEROUS?
Annoying as heck, yeah - I get that. But dangerous? not in my book.
Illegal, I'm not sure... maybe there's a TRO in order locally?
I do feel a little begrudged, clearly.

I feel like this was a fed up resident (fair enough) but the report was made with malicious intent, and I honestly don't think its a police matter regardless.

Can anyone set me straight?

Quoted

For a man who is "taking it on the chin" you don't seem like you're taking it on the chin.

[elliottkillingbeck]

PistonTim said:

Surely this has got to be a wind up post?

Nope, just seeing if its criminal or should be civil?
My throught is that parking like this is a civil matter - enforceable by local council?

[paulrockliffe]

It is dangerous because you are forcing pedestrians, children, wheelchair users to go in the road around a blind bend.

[E63eeeeee...]

You've completely blocked the footpath, potentially causing pedestrians to have to go onto the road. Presumably that's the dangerous part. I don't imagine your vehicle has to be hanging over the edge of a cliff with a school playground underneath, surely it's more for things like parking close to junctions so other people are forced to do dangerous things, not your vehicle being inherently dangerous itself.

[Bluevanman]

Have you seen "parking like a tw4t" group on Facebook ?
You should be in that

[elliottkillingbeck]

paulrockliffe said:

It is dangerous because you are forcing pedestrians, children, wheelchair users to go in the road around a blind bend.

Thats fair, walking on the opposite side under the streetlights would be a safer option anyway?
And I'm not the only one - but I was targeted by this resident.

[Super Sonic]

One of the vehicles in the picture is parked on the edge of the pavement, leaving room for pedestrians, wheelchairs, prams etc. The other is parked almost fully on the pavement, right up against the hedge, blocking the pavement, forcing pedestrians to walk in the road.

[elliottkillingbeck]

Bluevanman said:

Have you seen "parking like a tw4t" group on Facebook ?
You should be in that

its amazing that people cant just be civil...

[SS2.]

elliottkillingbeck said:

Nope, just seeing if its criminal or should be civil?

An offence contrary to s.22 Road Traffic Act 1988 is a criminal matter.

[Simpo Two]

elliottkillingbeck said:

I'm struggling to see how having my vehicle parked (on the unlit side of the road) against some overgrown bushes overnight, between two other vehicles you'd never squeeze a wheelchair or pushchair down the side of, constitutes DANGEROUS?

I think because it forces pedestrians into the road in order to get round the obstruction.

Then again the bloke who hurled abuse at you could be guilty of assault so I guess that puts you both in jail!

[RizzoTheRat]

Obstruction of the highway is a criminal offence not a civil one. The pavement is part of the highway. the Dangerous bit is presumably because pedestrians would have to walk n the road to get around you.

[Vasco]

I would have been very annoyed if I'd found that parked all over the pavement. Did you not consider wheelchair users, prams etc - or even the safety of all walkers ?

[Dingu]

You are parked like a dick.

[elliottkillingbeck]

Vasco said:

I would have been very annoyed if I'd found that parked all over the pavement. Did you not consider wheelchair users, prams etc - or even the safety of all walkers ?

I did try to be considerate - I parked so far over to avoid obstructing egress from a driveway opposite.
I parked between two other vehicles that were already there.
I left it there late, and came back very early.
The lit footpath is opposite, completely unobstructed, and the way the road is, you'd walk on that side anyway - hence its clear, and the path on my side is covered in moss and bushes.

I did TRY to be considerate, but I get it - the law is the law.
I've just sent off the NIP and I'll await my punishment.

[elliottkillingbeck]

Dingu said:

You are parked like a dick.

Again, why not just be civil?
Doesn;t take much to be civil - you can still tell me im wrong whilst not being a dick yourself.

[S100HP]

elliottkillingbeck said:

Can anyone set me straight?

Don't park on the pavement next time. Probably my biggest bugbear. More so as I've aged, taking kids to school, walking the dog, that kind of thing. When I'm king anybody who parks on a pavement shall sentenced to 10 years hard labour a d their cars destroyed. Absolutely the most self entitled yish thing to do. It's a case of "I'm alright, fk everyone else".

[elliottkillingbeck]

RizzoTheRat said:

Obstruction of the highway is a criminal offence not a civil one. The pavement is part of the highway. the Dangerous bit is presumably because pedestrians would have to walk n the road to get around you.

thats fair.
Seems like a double standard though - I park like this for less than 10 hours, and I'm done.
Locally at home, someone puts a horse box on the main road and causes carnage for months and the police do nothing.

Both are the same issue.

I dunno - I guess I needed to vent.
I'm resigned to the fine/points anyway, can;t change that now.

[Sebring440]

PistonTim said:

Surely this has got to be a wind up post?

Yes, it's got to be — despite his protestations. What sort of response did he think he would get here?

Definitely a wind-up post.