Bailed after throwing boiling water over someone
Bailed after throwing boiling water over someone
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MB140

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4,763 posts

123 months

Tuesday 11th March
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Bearing in mind the current drive around domestic abuse within policing and the law.

A woman in Nottingham has been bailed after throwing boiling water over a man. The article i will admit doesn’t say they are a couple but they are living in the same house….


If this was a man throwing boiling water over a woman and getting bailed there would be uproar (and rightfully so). Who in the right minds thinks this is a good idea.

I know, I know, the prisons are too full (of people saying hurty words) so let’s bail them rather than remand them, what a crap idea.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwynxrpp12no

Edited by MB140 on Tuesday 11th March 16:29

Patio

1,445 posts

31 months

Tuesday 11th March
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You can also possess indecent images of children, and beat up random members of the public and get suspended sentences

Tweets however


DP14

372 posts

59 months

Tuesday 11th March
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Seems an unusual case. Another article says 'housemate' and there was a 3rd person present. The incident happened at 8:30 am on a Saturday and the perpetrator appears to be a PhD student. None of that strikes me as being someone who is a danger to the rest of society.

stichill99

1,181 posts

201 months

Tuesday 11th March
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Have you not seen the new sentencing guidelines? 2 Tier justice!

Squadrone Rosso

3,455 posts

167 months

Tuesday 11th March
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Many years ago I had boiling water mixed with sugar thrown over me by a lifer.

Basically got told it was part of the job. God I miss the 80s!

Nibbles_bits

1,865 posts

59 months

Tuesday 11th March
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MB140 said:
Bearing in mind the current drive around domestic abuse within policing and the law.

A woman in Nottingham has been bailed after throwing boiling water over a man. The article i will admit doesn’t say they are a couple but they are living in the same house….


If this was a man throwing boiling water over a woman and getting bailed there would be uproar (and rightfully so). Who in the right minds thinks this is a good idea.

I know, I know, the prisons are too full (of people saying hurty words) so let’s bail them rather than remand them, what a crap idea.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwynxrpp12no

Edited by MB140 on Tuesday 11th March 16:29
Even if the prisons weren't too full of people saying "hurty words" (AKA committing hate crimes or MalComs), the prisons are too full to remand every Domestic Abuse perpetrator (or in this case just a violent offender) anyway.

Even if they are remanded by the police, the court can just bail them anyway.

Seems a bit archaic to imprison everyone.

TwigtheWonderkid

47,395 posts

170 months

Tuesday 11th March
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Patio said:
You can also possess indecent images of children, and beat up random members of the public and get suspended sentences

Tweets however
I've sent thousands of tweets, many of them critical of the govt, this one and the last one, and have had no issues at all. I obviously have never sent death threats, never called for a mob to set fire to a hotel full of people, etc. Mainly because I'm not a .

Fast and Spurious

1,802 posts

108 months

Tuesday 11th March
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
I've sent thousands of tweets, many of them critical of the govt, this one and the last one, and have had no issues at all. I obviously have never sent death threats, never called for a mob to set fire to a hotel full of people, etc. Mainly because I'm not a .
In your opinion.

TwigtheWonderkid

47,395 posts

170 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Fast and Spurious said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I've sent thousands of tweets, many of them critical of the govt, this one and the last one, and have had no issues at all. I obviously have never sent death threats, never called for a mob to set fire to a hotel full of people, etc. Mainly because I'm not a .
In your opinion.
Whose opinion were you expecting me to give?

Pit Pony

10,547 posts

141 months

Wednesday 12th March
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Patio said:
You can also possess indecent images of children, and beat up random members of the public and get suspended sentences

Tweets however
I've sent thousands of tweets, many of them critical of the govt, this one and the last one, and have had no issues at all. I obviously have never sent death threats, never called for a mob to set fire to a hotel full of people, etc. Mainly because I'm not a .
Careful now. That sounds like you'd like to, and that's a thought crime.

To be fair, in the 80s my mother once threw a gravy boat full of hot gravy at my sister during Sunday lunch. How hot I don't know, but there was no lasting damage. Being completely self obsessed I had no.idea what it was about, what the final spark was and just carried on eating my lunch without batting and eye lid whilst my mother realising what she'd done attempted to get my sister outside and turn the hose pipe on her.
I mean.they were always at each others throats.

Dingu

4,893 posts

50 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Patio said:
You can also possess indecent images of children, and beat up random members of the public and get suspended sentences

Tweets however
Man the tinfoil!

irc

9,187 posts

156 months

Wednesday 12th March
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TBH bail is the normal. In a previous job part of my routine was getting the results from Glasgow Sheriff Court and phoning victims to tell them their boyfriend who had assaulted them while on bail had been released on bail again.

Nibbles_bits

1,865 posts

59 months

Wednesday 12th March
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irc said:
TBH bail is the normal. In a previous job part of my routine was getting the results from Glasgow Sheriff Court and phoning victims to tell them their boyfriend who had assaulted them while on bail had been released on bail again.
Which just goes to show, the only way to 100% safeguard the victim is life imprisonment for the suspect from the moment an allegation is made.

Starfighter

5,304 posts

198 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Is it fair to assume that there will be bail conditions applied?

Greendubber

14,725 posts

223 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Starfighter said:
Is it fair to assume that there will be bail conditions applied?
Very fair.

Nibbles_bits

1,865 posts

59 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Starfighter said:
Is it fair to assume that there will be bail conditions applied?
Which people breach.

MDMA .

9,927 posts

121 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Nibbles_bits said:
irc said:
TBH bail is the normal. In a previous job part of my routine was getting the results from Glasgow Sheriff Court and phoning victims to tell them their boyfriend who had assaulted them while on bail had been released on bail again.
Which just goes to show, the only way to 100% safeguard the victim is life imprisonment for the suspect from the moment an allegation is made.
And if it turns out to be false allegation, life for the person who made the accusation. For balance.

otolith

64,083 posts

224 months

Wednesday 12th March
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So, in the context of this, I caught a bit of something about domestic abuse leading to murder on Radio 4 yesterday. It laid out the stages in those relationships.

"So we call this stage 'history'. It's a huge red flag. So one of the things that keeps coming up is them, themselves saying"

Male voice #1 "I have this crazy ex"
Male voice #2 "She was a bit of a slut"
Male voice #3 "She used to make me jealous"

"Stage 1, straight away, don't even bother second guessing it, this is your safety that's at risk here, and I'm not saying that somebody who says that is going to kill someone, but they are going to be controlling"

Now, #2 and #3, fine, red flags, but the idea that anyone who says that their ex was crazy is controlling seems to be from a narrative that denies that some awful human beings are women and sometimes a man may actually have a crazy ex.

Drumroll

4,306 posts

140 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Nibbles_bits said:
Which people breach.
Not everybody who has bail conditions placed on them, break them.

Nibbles_bits

1,865 posts

59 months

Wednesday 12th March
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Drumroll said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Which people breach.
Not everybody who has bail conditions placed on them, break them.
What point are you making here?