Stolen Vehicles - Where Should / Do They Flag Up ?

[KTMsm]

I've been offered a "stolen" motorcycle

HPi says it's currently stolen - from 2021

The V5 was issued in 2020, it has the keys all the stamped history and main dealer receipts both before and after 2021

It has been taxed and MOT and registered into Trade within the time frame

Surely it should ping as a stolen vehicle when taxed and be refused and the same with MOT ?

I've tried 101 and despite saying they'd call me back they haven't - waiting for contact from HPi as well

However I'm more interested how a stolen vehicle can be taxed and MOT etc as that doesn't seem right

Edited by KTMsm on Wednesday 7th May 12:50

[davek_964]

It was quite a few years ago, but I put a deposit on a car from a dealer (a small one indy). When I did HPI check, it came back as stolen several years before.
The dealer refunded my deposit and his excuse was that he bought at auction and they were suppose to have carried out those checks. But that had MOT etc. too - I wouldn't have been buying it otherwise.

[KTMsm]

Just called my MOT guy - he says the MOT system isn't linked to any other system except recalls

Which seems ridiculous

[KTMsm]

Called 101 again - we can't give any details (I wanted the name of the insurer)

You have to go to the local Police station with all the paperwork

Except they closed all the local stations...

[WolvesWill]

KTMsm said:

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Surely it should ping as a stolen vehicle when taxed and be refused and the same with MOT ?

There are different databases for tax, insurance, MOT and PNC (police national computer), which don't all speak to each other...

A stolen report is added to a vehicle on PNC when a vehicle is reported as stolen, but nothing is updated on any of the other databases when this is done.

[KTMsm]

Thanks that's what I guessed

It seems incredible that you can MOT, Tax and insure a stolen vehicle both from the point of view of ease of selling on and the ease of recovering stolen vehicles from MOT stations

[KTMsm]

Finally had the information from HPi -the insurer was MCE - Who have gone bust

The Seller was Completely Motorcycles - Who have gone bust

So it seems I'm only left with the option of going to the local police station - I looked on Police.UK to find where the nearest one is - they said it's Solihull which I was pretty sure had been closed so I called 101

They confirmed Solihull was closed but couldn't advise my nearest station as they were based in West Midlands force and the nearest one to me is based in Warwickshire

Does nothing in this fking country work anymore?

[davek_964]

KTMsm said:

Finally had the information from HPi -the insurer was MCE - Who have gone bust

Who owns the vehicle in that case? I assume the insurer paid out at the time, so technically it belonged to them. But if the company no longer exists - who does it belong to (legally)?

[ImbackYo]

KTMsm said:

Finally had the information from HPi -the insurer was MCE - Who have gone bust

The Seller was Completely Motorcycles - Who have gone bust

So it seems I'm only left with the option of going to the local police station - I looked on Police.UK to find where the nearest one is - they said it's Solihull which I was pretty sure had been closed so I called 101

They confirmed Solihull was closed but couldn't advise my nearest station as they were based in West Midlands force and the nearest one to me is based in Warwickshire

Does nothing in this fking country work anymore?

ANPR and speed cameras work well. Perhaps tell them you're offended by a Facebook post. they'll be over asap.

Joking aside, if they cant find a receiver to hand it over to, it'll reside with the current owner i think?

[paul_c123]

KTMsm said:

So it seems I'm only left with the option of going to the local police station - I looked on Police.UK to find where the nearest one is - they said it's Solihull which I was pretty sure had been closed so I called 101

They confirmed Solihull was closed but couldn't advise my nearest station as they were based in West Midlands force and the nearest one to me is based in Warwickshire

Does nothing in this fking country work anymore?

There's the option of not buying a stolen motorbike, now that you've done an HPI on it.

[KTMsm]

paul_c123 said:

There's the option of not buying a stolen motorbike, now that you've done an HPI on it.

Except it's not stolen, it's an admin error by the Police

Although as far as the Police are concerned, it's been stolen for the last 3 years, has covered, 20,000 miles, has been taxed, mot and insured and yet they haven't recovered it !

Cracking job

[Drawweight]

Good luck getting it sorted at the local police station.

Even if you turn up with all the documents that only prove you have documents. Whether whoever you talk to has the knowledge, experience or the will to actually do anything is another matter.

[paul_c123]

KTMsm said:

Except it's not stolen, it's an admin error by the Police

Although as far as the Police are concerned, it's been stolen for the last 3 years, has covered, 20,000 miles, has been taxed, mot and insured and yet they haven't recovered it !

Cracking job

But tax/Mot/certain kinds of insurance doesn't specifically check for stolen status. See all the previous posts in this thread. It could still be stolen, and it definitely looks like its still recorded as stolen. A stolen/recovered car gets the stolen marker removed - and this car hasn't had that done.

Now whether its because the original insurance company which paid out on the theft, went bust and never completed the admin (or maybe they went bust and never actually paid out; or the owner never claimed, or the owner was disqualified from claiming for some or other reason - who knows?) is another matter. I'd imagine, only certain bodies can remove the stolen marker - rightly so.

If the original insurance company never actually paid out, its still 'owned' by the original owner. And it looks like its been sold on or disposed of by someone else (who wasn't the true owner at the time, hence aren't in a position to sell it) and re-entered the trade and subsequently changed registered keeper, maybe a few times.

All very dodgy, and if a plausible explanation exists, very time consuming to unravel.

[KTMsm]

Finally a bit of help from Warwickshire Police (unlike West Mids)

They have no record of it being stolen or indeed any record of it whatsoever

However as they didn't put the stolen mark on it, they can't take it off

MCE put it on and they've gone bust

[KTMsm]

paul_c123 said:

But tax/Mot/certain kinds of insurance doesn't specifically check for stolen status.

My point is WHY NOT ?

It is in everyone's interests not to have stolen vehicles driving around

It's just common sense to make it as hard as possible to sell them on and there are 3 easy places to check for them, MOT particularly as you know where the vehicle is !

[Huzzah]

Have you tried Sabre (the underwiters)

[KTMsm]

Huzzah said:

Have you tried Sabre (the underwiters)

Yes thanks. They have no record of it

I've written to HPi and the MIB asking them to remove the record

No doubt they want evidence but I haven't got any evidence because no records exist !

Equally they haven't got any evidence that it was stolen

[paul_c123]

KTMsm said:

Yes thanks. They have no record of it

I've written to HPi and the MIB asking them to remove the record

No doubt they want evidence but I haven't got any evidence because no records exist !

Equally they haven't got any evidence that it was stolen

Why would they, on your word?

What is your connection to this motorbike - the OP says you're a prospective buyer? Or more than that?

[KTMsm]

paul_c123 said:

Why would they, on your word?

What is your connection to this motorbike - the OP says you're a prospective buyer? Or more than that?

That's what we have to wait and see

Presumably they have access to the Police stolen list - which I would suggest should be enough

It's a PX on a bike I'm selling which has a good profit in it

[ImbackYo]

KTMsm said:

That's what we have to wait and see

Presumably they have access to the Police stolen list - which I would suggest should be enough

It's a PX on a bike I'm selling which has a good profit in it

For a reason?

Ask yourself what your time is worth.