Solicitor for points tot-up. Essex region
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Based on my own Personal Experience this is something your friend can easily do himself and it may actually benefit him doing so .
Inevitably a Lawyer will simply send a Junior along or even a Legal Assistant and charge an arm and a leg for doing so . Ultimately it's a personal choice but unless he is pleading Not Guilty or the Case is complicated then I think he should consider my advice . There is nothing to be intimidated by . With my own case an MS90 Offence , I was also facing a ban and initially spoke with a Lawyer who told me I would be banned . The Bill for this Lawyer was going to be around £2000 so naturally I was upset by this negative attitude towards my position . I messaged AG Law on here who told me to concentrate my case on the hardship to OTHERS a ban would cause . I cancelled the Lawyer , took AG Laws kind advice and defended myself . I kept my License . I appreciate this is not the advice you were asking for but I thought I would mention it just the same . It might be something for you to consider .
Inevitably a Lawyer will simply send a Junior along or even a Legal Assistant and charge an arm and a leg for doing so . Ultimately it's a personal choice but unless he is pleading Not Guilty or the Case is complicated then I think he should consider my advice . There is nothing to be intimidated by . With my own case an MS90 Offence , I was also facing a ban and initially spoke with a Lawyer who told me I would be banned . The Bill for this Lawyer was going to be around £2000 so naturally I was upset by this negative attitude towards my position . I messaged AG Law on here who told me to concentrate my case on the hardship to OTHERS a ban would cause . I cancelled the Lawyer , took AG Laws kind advice and defended myself . I kept my License . I appreciate this is not the advice you were asking for but I thought I would mention it just the same . It might be something for you to consider .
Edited by reddiesel on Wednesday 18th February 16:48
reddiesel said:
I messaged AG Law on here who told me to concentrate my case on the hardship to OTHERS a ban would cause .
IANAL but I have heard the same said before, don't go in saying how much hardship it would cause you as their approach will likely be well if you thought about the hardship beforehand we wouldn't be here, and not give it a thought.If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
All sound advice. Can't believe I'd forgotten AG Law!!! Thx.
Any idea what options are available, assuming a robust hardship appeal and that prior 3 * 3 points were all FPN and not 100+ type offenses - in terms of, could it be a 2 week ban and all points are scrubbed, you carry 12 points without a ban for the length of the various FPNs etc?
Any idea what options are available, assuming a robust hardship appeal and that prior 3 * 3 points were all FPN and not 100+ type offenses - in terms of, could it be a 2 week ban and all points are scrubbed, you carry 12 points without a ban for the length of the various FPNs etc?
Edited by Sub8 on Wednesday 18th February 17:32
E-bmw said:
IANAL but I have heard the same said before, don't go in saying how much hardship it would cause you as their approach will likely be well if you thought about the hardship beforehand we wouldn't be here, and not give it a thought.
If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
I think I stressed that it must be hardship to others and not hardship for yourself . Look I even put it in capitals If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
Sub8 said:
All sound advice. Can't believe I'd forgotten AG Law!!! Thx.
Any idea what options are available, assuming a robust hardship appeal and that prior 3 * 3 points were all FPN and not 100+ type offenses - in terms of, could it be a 2 week ban and all points are scrubbed, you carry 12 points without a ban for the length of the various FPNs etc?
Obviously a 2 week ban and the points scrubbed would be the ideal but how often that happens I couldn't actually say . My own personal feeling is that Magistrates are more likely to simply leave you driving with the 12 points and the inevitable Fine . AG Law and others may take a different view .Any idea what options are available, assuming a robust hardship appeal and that prior 3 * 3 points were all FPN and not 100+ type offenses - in terms of, could it be a 2 week ban and all points are scrubbed, you carry 12 points without a ban for the length of the various FPNs etc?
Edited by Sub8 on Wednesday 18th February 17:32
Sub8 said:
All sound advice. Can't believe I'd forgotten AG Law!!! Thx.
Any idea what options are available, assuming a robust hardship appeal and that prior 3 * 3 points were all FPN and not 100+ type offenses - in terms of, could it be a 2 week ban and all points are scrubbed, you carry 12 points without a ban for the length of the various FPNs etc?
Points are not scrubbed for short bans even if you were to get one which is vanishingly unlikely, the relevant points be it 3, 6 or whatever will be added by the court at the time you are sentenced and a totting ban imposed, at that point you can present your hardship case and hope you have a sympathetic bench. If they do allow you to keep your licence then it will retain the points you have including the ones you have just been given, if they don't then your licence will be clear of points after you have served your 6 month banAny idea what options are available, assuming a robust hardship appeal and that prior 3 * 3 points were all FPN and not 100+ type offenses - in terms of, could it be a 2 week ban and all points are scrubbed, you carry 12 points without a ban for the length of the various FPNs etc?
Edited by Sub8 on Wednesday 18th February 17:32
reddiesel said:
E-bmw said:
IANAL but I have heard the same said before, don't go in saying how much hardship it would cause you as their approach will likely be well if you thought about the hardship beforehand we wouldn't be here, and not give it a thought.
If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
I think I stressed that it must be hardship to others and not hardship for yourself . Look I even put it in capitals If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
Hardship to others, these are known to work.
1 Drive the church minibus to ferry the elderly members to church
2 Drive the Scout Group minibus to take the Scouts swimming
3 Elderly mum relies on yourself for shopping trips
4 Disabled spouse relies on yourself for transport
5 Disabled child relies on yourself for transport
1 Drive the church minibus to ferry the elderly members to church
2 Drive the Scout Group minibus to take the Scouts swimming
3 Elderly mum relies on yourself for shopping trips
4 Disabled spouse relies on yourself for transport
5 Disabled child relies on yourself for transport
reddiesel said:
E-bmw said:
IANAL but I have heard the same said before, don't go in saying how much hardship it would cause you as their approach will likely be well if you thought about the hardship beforehand we wouldn't be here, and not give it a thought.
If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
I think I stressed that it must be hardship to others and not hardship for yourself . Look I even put it in capitals If you have a disabled/elderly relative who relies upon you etc.
Just remember though, the reason/excuse/mitigation WILL likely only work once.
ferret50 said:
Hardship to others, these are known to work.
1 Drive the church minibus to ferry the elderly members to church
2 Drive the Scout Group minibus to take the Scouts swimming
3 Elderly mum relies on yourself for shopping trips
4 Disabled spouse relies on yourself for transport
5 Disabled child relies on yourself for transport
If true of course, an EH plea will be under oath and the court will require some sort of proof to back up the EH reasons that are put forward, don't expect them to just take the defendants word for it1 Drive the church minibus to ferry the elderly members to church
2 Drive the Scout Group minibus to take the Scouts swimming
3 Elderly mum relies on yourself for shopping trips
4 Disabled spouse relies on yourself for transport
5 Disabled child relies on yourself for transport
ferret50 said:
Hardship to others, these are known to work.
1 Drive the church minibus to ferry the elderly members to church
2 Drive the Scout Group minibus to take the Scouts swimming
3 Elderly mum relies on yourself for shopping trips
4 Disabled spouse relies on yourself for transport
5 Disabled child relies on yourself for transport
6 Taking Sir Kier Starmer to his next u-turn1 Drive the church minibus to ferry the elderly members to church
2 Drive the Scout Group minibus to take the Scouts swimming
3 Elderly mum relies on yourself for shopping trips
4 Disabled spouse relies on yourself for transport
5 Disabled child relies on yourself for transport
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