Officer jailed for killing woman in crash
Discussion
Thought this had been discussed before but can't seem to find the thread, seems a bit harsh especially as the family of the woman in question did not want him to be jailed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20d5g6v4z0o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20d5g6v4z0o
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
I am unsure how a policemen would be qualified to save a choking baby - which I assume would be the job of a medic.
All Police officers are trained in first aid and a choking baby is within that training, granted it is fairly basic training that anyone could learn themselves but most people don't. The reality of the country now with budget cuts is that if Ambulance service don't have anyone immediately available they will contact the Police to see if they can attend in an emergency situation. In addition some Police officers do undertake specialist tac med training.
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
I am unsure how a policemen would be qualified to save a choking baby - which I assume would be the job of a medic.
Dealing with a choking child is part of the first aid training so probably more qualified than most and likely to be more use in the situation than the child’s family who will almost certainly be panicked. Officer is based at the same nick I worked at for many years and I have probably gone through that junction hundreds of times on blues. I won’t be doing it any more though as driving on blues and using exemptions is just not worthy the risk any more. My current role doesn’t involve such driving but if it did I would be stopping.
Nobody wins as a result of him being sent to prison.
ED209 said:
Dealing with a choking child is part of the first aid training so probably more qualified than most and likely to be more use in the situation than the child s family who will almost certainly be panicked.
Officer is based at the same nick I worked at for many years and I have probably gone through that junction hundreds of times on blues. I won t be doing it any more though as driving on blues and using exemptions is just not worthy the risk any more. My current role doesn t involve such driving but if it did I would be stopping.
Nobody wins as a result of him being sent to prison.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if a significant number of blue light responders, not just Police adopt the same position based on this verdict. Officer is based at the same nick I worked at for many years and I have probably gone through that junction hundreds of times on blues. I won t be doing it any more though as driving on blues and using exemptions is just not worthy the risk any more. My current role doesn t involve such driving but if it did I would be stopping.
Nobody wins as a result of him being sent to prison.
gazza285 said:
Having witnessed a police car t-bone another vehicle, and having my last car written off by another police car travelling at speed through a red light, thankfully my wife was unhurt, perhaps this sentence will make police drivers a little less gung ho in their approach.
Hopefully a lot, lot more risk averse. The public won’t win if that happens though. ED209 said:
Dealing with a choking child is part of the first aid training so probably more qualified than most and likely to be more use in the situation than the child s family who will almost certainly be panicked.
Officer is based at the same nick I worked at for many years and I have probably gone through that junction hundreds of times on blues. I won t be doing it any more though as driving on blues and using exemptions is just not worthy the risk any more. My current role doesn t involve such driving but if it did I would be stopping.
Nobody wins as a result of him being sent to prison.
Is your future conduct a result of the woman's death or the officer being jailed? Officer is based at the same nick I worked at for many years and I have probably gone through that junction hundreds of times on blues. I won t be doing it any more though as driving on blues and using exemptions is just not worthy the risk any more. My current role doesn t involve such driving but if it did I would be stopping.
Nobody wins as a result of him being sent to prison.
I'm uneasy about him being jailed, but if your reaction is typical and had come earlier then the woman would still be alive - that's a win, surely?
I think the key parts are here,
'Laird also said it was "very concerning" when Roberts told a probation officer emergency responders "commonly fail to comply with the obligation to treat red lights as a give way junction and simply rely on other road users to stop".
"That suggests you deliberately chose not to observe the law and your training," he told Roberts, who was also banned from driving for five years and one month and will have to pass an extended test.'
'Laird also said it was "very concerning" when Roberts told a probation officer emergency responders "commonly fail to comply with the obligation to treat red lights as a give way junction and simply rely on other road users to stop".
"That suggests you deliberately chose not to observe the law and your training," he told Roberts, who was also banned from driving for five years and one month and will have to pass an extended test.'
Sheepshanks said:
Is your future conduct a result of the woman's death or the officer being jailed?
I'm uneasy about him being jailed, but if your reaction is typical and had come earlier then the woman would still be alive - that's a win, surely?
I have driven response vehicles for over 20 years and never had an accident so I hope my driving strikes the balance of risk vs reward. The sentence focuses the mind to what could happen as a result of a split second lapse when you are trying to do the right thing. It’s just not worth risking everything if it goes wrong.I'm uneasy about him being jailed, but if your reaction is typical and had come earlier then the woman would still be alive - that's a win, surely?
If he has driven dangerously as decided by the jury then I fully accept he needs to be dealt with for that. I am not sure how him going to prison helps anyone though? He’s clearly not an ongoing risk to anyone, the prison space would be better used for someone who is a risk and he could be punished in the community.
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