Fed up with people jumping lights. I'm going to film them
Discussion
When I'm a pedestrian crossing the road in Brixton, 
s jump amber and red lights and drive at me. Happened half an hour ago and the driver called me a dhead when I shouted at him. Apparently 'the light wasn't red'. So I'm having some road rage. Hence all my bad language. I'm going to start filming the miscreants with my phone and send the vids to the Met. Do they prosecute for jumping the amber? I've read that it's TS10, 3 points, £100, the same as jumping a red. But some sites say it's not an offence, or it is an offence, but due care & attention or careless driving, not TS10. The fkers who do it usually put their foot down to beat the red, so they're speeding as well. Sadly my phone doesn't provide evidence of speeding. Yet.
Just in case anyone here is confused about amber light rules, the Highway Code says: "AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/light...
Before anyone asks whether I ever break the rules, well, I do. My speed creeps over 20 when there's nothing in front. But I am obsessive about not endangering or even inconveniencing others. I find it a satisfying challenge to keep to a high standard, without chivvying peds or cyclists, or even causing cyclists to brake. (I use the roads on a pushbike, motorbike, in a car and on my own two feet.)
I have always felt that pedestrians' rights should come first. They should be able to wander into the road blind drunk or muddled by dementia. Other road users should take responsibility for their safety.
s jump amber and red lights and drive at me. Happened half an hour ago and the driver called me a dhead when I shouted at him. Apparently 'the light wasn't red'. So I'm having some road rage. Hence all my bad language. I'm going to start filming the miscreants with my phone and send the vids to the Met. Do they prosecute for jumping the amber? I've read that it's TS10, 3 points, £100, the same as jumping a red. But some sites say it's not an offence, or it is an offence, but due care & attention or careless driving, not TS10. The fkers who do it usually put their foot down to beat the red, so they're speeding as well. Sadly my phone doesn't provide evidence of speeding. Yet. Just in case anyone here is confused about amber light rules, the Highway Code says: "AMBER means ‘Stop’ at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/light...
Before anyone asks whether I ever break the rules, well, I do. My speed creeps over 20 when there's nothing in front. But I am obsessive about not endangering or even inconveniencing others. I find it a satisfying challenge to keep to a high standard, without chivvying peds or cyclists, or even causing cyclists to brake. (I use the roads on a pushbike, motorbike, in a car and on my own two feet.)
I have always felt that pedestrians' rights should come first. They should be able to wander into the road blind drunk or muddled by dementia. Other road users should take responsibility for their safety.
Undinist said:
When I'm a pedestrian crossing the road in Brixton, s jump amber and red lights and drive at me. Happened half an hour ago and the driver called me a dhead when I shouted at him. Apparently 'the light wasn't red'. So I'm having some road rage. Hence all my bad language. I'm going to start filming the miscreants with my phone and send the vids to the Met. Do they prosecute for jumping the amber? I've read that it's TS10, 3 points, £100, the same as jumping a red. But some sites say it's not an offence, or it is an offence, but due care & attention or careless driving, not TS10. The fkers who do it usually put their foot down to beat the red, so they're speeding as well. Sadly my phone doesn't provide evidence of speeding. Yet.
Just in case anyone here is confused about amber light rules, the Highway Code says: "AMBER means Stop at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/light...
Before anyone asks whether I ever break the rules, well, I do. My speed creeps over 20 when there's nothing in front. But I am obsessive about not endangering or even inconveniencing others. I find it a satisfying challenge to keep to a high standard, without chivvying peds or cyclists, or even causing cyclists to brake. (I use the roads on a pushbike, motorbike, in a car and on my own two feet.)
I have always felt that pedestrians' rights should come first. They should be able to wander into the road blind drunk or muddled by dementia. Other road users should take responsibility for their safety.
How are they driving at you?s jump amber and red lights and drive at me. Happened half an hour ago and the driver called me a dhead when I shouted at him. Apparently 'the light wasn't red'. So I'm having some road rage. Hence all my bad language. I'm going to start filming the miscreants with my phone and send the vids to the Met. Do they prosecute for jumping the amber? I've read that it's TS10, 3 points, £100, the same as jumping a red. But some sites say it's not an offence, or it is an offence, but due care & attention or careless driving, not TS10. The fkers who do it usually put their foot down to beat the red, so they're speeding as well. Sadly my phone doesn't provide evidence of speeding. Yet. Just in case anyone here is confused about amber light rules, the Highway Code says: "AMBER means Stop at the stop line. You may go on only if the AMBER appears after you have crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to pull up might cause an accident" https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/light...
Before anyone asks whether I ever break the rules, well, I do. My speed creeps over 20 when there's nothing in front. But I am obsessive about not endangering or even inconveniencing others. I find it a satisfying challenge to keep to a high standard, without chivvying peds or cyclists, or even causing cyclists to brake. (I use the roads on a pushbike, motorbike, in a car and on my own two feet.)
I have always felt that pedestrians' rights should come first. They should be able to wander into the road blind drunk or muddled by dementia. Other road users should take responsibility for their safety.
It sound like you are in the road in front of them when it is not safe or appropriate for you to be there.
If you crossing at a light controlled crossing on green, and the cars are driving through a red light, then by all means report them for that offence.
To some degree, road engineers have helped cause this issue. Back in the day, both sets of lights went to amber at the same time, hence the 'amber gambler' adverts.
So it was a big risk to jump an amber, let alone a red.
Now one set of lights doesn't start to change until the other is on red. So drivers will risk a red because they know they have time. And like everything else, complacency sets in, they start to push the timings etc. As for pedestrians, they don't give a st or have any thought that maybe crossings will be activated.
It's very obvious and common near me, that many cars are jumping reds. The only way it's going to stop is if they put cameras in at every set of lights, which is obviously cost prohibitive.
So it was a big risk to jump an amber, let alone a red.
Now one set of lights doesn't start to change until the other is on red. So drivers will risk a red because they know they have time. And like everything else, complacency sets in, they start to push the timings etc. As for pedestrians, they don't give a s
t or have any thought that maybe crossings will be activated.It's very obvious and common near me, that many cars are jumping reds. The only way it's going to stop is if they put cameras in at every set of lights, which is obviously cost prohibitive.
Mandat said:
How are they driving at you?
It sound like you are in the road in front of them when it is not safe or appropriate for you to be there.
If you crossing at a light controlled crossing on green, and the cars are driving through a red light, then by all means report them for that offence.
It's meant to be safe when the light is red, or when the light is amber and the car can stop safely. Sometimes they put their foot down when the light is red and the pedestrians are in the road. That's what happened today. It does feel as if they're driving 'at me'. They're deliberately trying to force me out of their way. It sound like you are in the road in front of them when it is not safe or appropriate for you to be there.
If you crossing at a light controlled crossing on green, and the cars are driving through a red light, then by all means report them for that offence.
nordboy said:
It's very obvious and common near me, that many cars are jumping reds. The only way it's going to stop is if they put cameras in at every set of lights, which is obviously cost prohibitive.
Given the number of red light jumpers I would have thought that they would pay for themselves pretty quickly.This happened to me when using a pedestrian controlled crossing in Manchester. I was walking across with the 'green man' light showing, and some dicks jumped the red from round and behind me - out of my normal vision. Luckily i always check both as a driver and as a pedestrian if people are jumping the lights. I had my 3 year-old grandson with me too.
Undinist said:
I have always felt that pedestrians' rights should come first. They should be able to wander into the road blind drunk or muddled by dementia. Other road users should take responsibility for their safety.
A piece of flesh at 3mph that can stop instantly, vs 1-2 tons of metal car at 20-70mph that can't. Anybody who wants to walk in front of one, still less 'wander into the road blind drunk' without looking is a damn fool. Take responsibility for yourself.Simpo Two said:
A piece of flesh at 3mph that can stop instantly, vs 1-2 tons of metal car at 20-70mph that can't. Anybody who wants to walk in front of one, still less 'wander into the road blind drunk' without looking is a damn fool. Take responsibility for yourself.
So if a pedestrian is crossing a pedestrian crossing with the lights in their favour, which is the subject of the thread, and there's a car coming at 70 mph, you think it is the pedestrian's responsibility to avoid being hit? Ridiculous.Simpo Two said:
A piece of flesh at 3mph that can stop instantly, vs 1-2 tons of metal car at 20-70mph that can't. Anybody who wants to walk in front of one, still less 'wander into the road blind drunk' without looking is a damn fool. Take responsibility for yourself.
Stupid post is stupid.Sebring440 said:
Simpo Two said:
A piece of flesh at 3mph that can stop instantly, vs 1-2 tons of metal car at 20-70mph that can't. Anybody who wants to walk in front of one, still less 'wander into the road blind drunk' without looking is a damn fool. Take responsibility for yourself.
Stupid post is stupid.Super Sonic said:
So if a pedestrian is crossing a pedestrian crossing with the lights in their favour, which is the subject of the thread, and there's a car coming at 70 mph, you think it is the pedestrian's responsibility to avoid being hit? Ridiculous.
YES, that's not ridiculous at all. It's the responsibility of every road use to look after their own safety - call it 'self preservation' if you like.Any pedestrian that wanders into the road without checking it's safe, just 'because the little green man says it's OK', is a moron.
Any pedestrian that sees a vehicle barrelling towards them at 70 mph, but still wanders into the road 'because they have priority' is a moron.
The highway code makes it very clear that vehicles should only pass a green light 'if it is safe to do so'.
Why do you think pedestrians should be any different?
Super Sonic said:
Simpo Two said:
A piece of flesh at 3mph that can stop instantly, vs 1-2 tons of metal car at 20-70mph that can't. Anybody who wants to walk in front of one, still less 'wander into the road blind drunk' without looking is a damn fool. Take responsibility for yourself.
So if a pedestrian is crossing a pedestrian crossing with the lights in their favour, which is the subject of the thread, and there's a car coming at 70 mph, you think it is the pedestrian's responsibility to avoid being hit? Ridiculous.trashbat said:
Where in Brixton or indeed Manchester do you lot suppose there is a pedestrian crossing on a 70mph road?
Nobody said it was a 70mph road, but that doesn't alter the fact that there might be a car that is travelling at (e.g.) 70mph.Yes, of course that is wrong and illegal, but it is still the pedestrians responsibility to ensure they don't get hit by that vehicle.
Yellow Lizud said:
YES, that's not ridiculous at all. It's the responsibility of every road use to look after their own safety - call it 'self preservation' if you like.
Any pedestrian that wanders into the road without checking it's safe, just 'because the little green man says it's OK', is a moron.
Any pedestrian that sees a vehicle barrelling towards them at 70 mph, but still wanders into the road 'because they have priority' is a moron.
The highway code makes it very clear that vehicles should only pass a green light 'if it is safe to do so'.
Why do you think pedestrians should be any different?
Exactly, nothing ridiculous at all.Any pedestrian that wanders into the road without checking it's safe, just 'because the little green man says it's OK', is a moron.
Any pedestrian that sees a vehicle barrelling towards them at 70 mph, but still wanders into the road 'because they have priority' is a moron.
The highway code makes it very clear that vehicles should only pass a green light 'if it is safe to do so'.
Why do you think pedestrians should be any different?
“ Rule 18
At all crossings. When using any type of crossing you should
always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing”
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules...
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