Rise in Speeding Fines Linked to More Drivers Law Breaking
Rise in Speeding Fines Linked to More Drivers Law Breaking
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BlueJazz

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803 posts

196 months

Yesterday (13:49)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/articles/cm25ggyn3mxo

And the top three roads for speeding are:

When and Where Are Drivers Speeding Most?

Government data indicates that speeding is most common during night‑time hours, between 6pm and 5am, when roads are quieter and speeds tend to rise.

Vehicle‑tracking firm Quartix identified several hotspots earlier this year:

M77 Scotland: 52% of traffic exceeded the 70mph limit

B2087 East Sussex - Flimwell to Ticehurst: 41% of vehicles exceeded the posted limit

Warwickshire : Has the highest offence rate, one recorded offence for every 4.58 vehicles


Doesn't say why drivers may break the speed limit, perhaps that's an answer to a question that isn't wanted?

Flibble

6,537 posts

205 months

Yesterday (14:15)
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Maybe an unpopular opinion (or maybe not) but it feels like speed limits are being less less appropriately than previously. There has been much documentation that inappropriate speed limits don't work so maybe that's what we're seeing.

speedking31

3,829 posts

160 months

Yesterday (14:26)
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BlueJazz said:
When and Where Are Drivers Speeding Most?

Government data indicates that speeding is most common during night?time hours, between 6pm and 5am, when roads are quieter and speeds tend to rise.
... and it's more likely that signs will be missed in the dark. And drivers need to concentrate more on observation than limit observance. With quieter roads comes a lower perceived risk.

It may be that speeding is not more prevalent, but that avoiding detection is more difficult and prosecution is easier (e.g. cameras work 24/7).

Terminator X

19,753 posts

228 months

Yesterday (14:26)
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All limits seem 10mph too slow to me other than say 20 past a school which is fine. All praise to Waze.

TX.

Drawweight

3,507 posts

140 months

Yesterday (15:03)
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Yet they have covered up a lot of the cameras in Scotland supposedly because driving standards had improved confused

alangla

6,355 posts

205 months

Yesterday (15:09)
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BlueJazz said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/articles/cm25ggyn3mxo

And the top three roads for speeding are:

When and Where Are Drivers Speeding Most?

Government data indicates that speeding is most common during night?time hours, between 6pm and 5am, when roads are quieter and speeds tend to rise.

Vehicle?tracking firm Quartix identified several hotspots earlier this year:

M77 Scotland: 52% of traffic exceeded the 70mph limit

B2087 East Sussex - Flimwell to Ticehurst: 41% of vehicles exceeded the posted limit

Warwickshire : Has the highest offence rate, one recorded offence for every 4.58 vehicles


Doesn't say why drivers may break the speed limit, perhaps that's an answer to a question that isn't wanted?
The big surprise there is that it’s the 70mph section, not the section with lower speed limits, which basically encompasses the whole road inside the Glasgow boundary.

Fastdruid

9,297 posts

176 months

Yesterday (15:44)
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BlueJazz said:
Warwickshire : Has the highest offence rate, one recorded offence for every 4.58 vehicles


Doesn't say why drivers may break the speed limit, perhaps that's an answer to a question that isn't wanted?
IIRC Warwickshire changed almost _all_ their NSL's to 50's (as well as downgrading a number of other limits) some (many!) years back. So maybe this is the consequence.

I know I've lost respect for speed limits being set appropriately, that doesn't mean I don't follow them but I zero faith that there is a good reason behind them.

55palfers

6,291 posts

188 months

Yesterday (16:11)
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With all these speeding motorists, it's a miracle the KSI stats aren't in the 100,000s


Debaser

7,658 posts

285 months

Yesterday (16:51)
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What a surprise! People don’t respect unreasonably low speed limits.

Dashnine

1,662 posts

74 months

Yesterday (17:02)
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Fastdruid said:
BlueJazz said:
Warwickshire : Has the highest offence rate, one recorded offence for every 4.58 vehicles


Doesn't say why drivers may break the speed limit, perhaps that's an answer to a question that isn't wanted?
IIRC Warwickshire changed almost _all_ their NSL's to 50's (as well as downgrading a number of other limits) some (many!) years back. So maybe this is the consequence.

I know I've lost respect for speed limits being set appropriately, that doesn't mean I don't follow them but I zero faith that there is a good reason behind them.
…and then bought some lovely new ‘speed enforcement vans’ to make the most of the limit reduction, presumably to pay for all the replacement 50mph signs…

Randy Winkman

21,120 posts

213 months

Yesterday (21:48)
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Terminator X said:
All limits seem 10mph too slow to me other than say 20 past a school which is fine. All praise to Waze.

TX.
I live in a residential street where the speed limit is 30mph and that clearly isnt a safe or reasonable speed for people to drive. It's narrow and there are parked cars on both sides. 2 parked cars have been written off in the last 18 months. We are nowhere near a school.

Terminator X

19,753 posts

228 months

Yesterday (23:03)
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Randy Winkman said:
Terminator X said:
All limits seem 10mph too slow to me other than say 20 past a school which is fine. All praise to Waze.

TX.
I live in a residential street where the speed limit is 30mph and that clearly isnt a safe or reasonable speed for people to drive. It's narrow and there are parked cars on both sides. 2 parked cars have been written off in the last 18 months. We are nowhere near a school.
Make it 20 then to be roundly ignored by all.

TX.

irc

9,423 posts

160 months

alangla said:
The big surprise there is that it s the 70mph section, not the section with lower speed limits, which basically encompasses the whole road inside the Glasgow boundary.
The 70 section has average speed cams, the section inside Glasgow doesn't. Almost nobody sticks to the 50 limit.
Can't remember the last time I saw a camera van on the Glasgow part of the A77.

In fact aside from the fixed cameras speed enforcement is noticeably light around Glasgow. I drive throughout greater Glasgow and Inverclyde for my job and camera vans or police speed traps are like hens teeth.

Perhaps a consequence of the cutting of traffic police numbers?

Edit, actually reading the article... " Vehicle‑tracking firm Quartix identified several hotspots earlier this year:

M77 Scotland: 52% of traffic exceeded the 70mph limit"

So not speed cams - tracking. I would suggest most of that 52% is people fractionally over at 71 or 72. Any time I have driven the A77 south of Glasgow everyone sits around a true 70mph. There is only a tiny fraction more than a few mph over the limit. So technically speeding but not with any link to speeding fines as the headine suggests.



Edited by irc on Wednesday 22 April 00:37

speedking31

3,829 posts

160 months

irc said:
Edit, actually reading the article... " Vehicle?tracking firm Quartix identified several hotspots earlier this year:

M77 Scotland: 52% of traffic exceeded the 70mph limit"

So not speed cams - tracking.
The article conflates two things. Quartix <> Government data. HTH