Facial recognition
Discussion
...being trialled live:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedpgz9w22zo
Big Brother really IS watching you now.
More seriously, who thinks this will actually achieve its objectives and who thinks anyone with an outstanding warrant will just wear a hoodie and a covid mask or scarf?
...and who's worried about 'scope creep' and the ability of this to be mis-used should we find ourselves with a more authoritarian government in future?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedpgz9w22zo
Big Brother really IS watching you now.
More seriously, who thinks this will actually achieve its objectives and who thinks anyone with an outstanding warrant will just wear a hoodie and a covid mask or scarf?
...and who's worried about 'scope creep' and the ability of this to be mis-used should we find ourselves with a more authoritarian government in future?
kers.It’s a joke , they had the van in Liverpool city centre with a dozen or so coppers surrounding every entry - exit in twos , when I walked past someone walked through smoking the strongest smelling dope I’ve ever witnessed , as usual the cops just stood talking to each other oblivious to the stink of cannabis .
Cannabis for personal use isn't really a crime any more.
Facial recognition has been used used in south London successfully, for things like outstanding warrants for kidnap, rapes and sexual assults.
The police wil have summoned in resources for this specific purpose so I can understand why they wouldn't want to be distracted by trivial stuff like weed.
Re: face covering- it is a loop hole, unless the police issue a s60aa notice, and even that has holes in. But those holes probably get tested at prosecution stage, and plod will probably still arrest someone for not removing a face covering regardless of the strength of their defence (ie scaft because it's cold, mask because covid, kaffiyeh because middle class and professionally outraged etc).
However I think s60aa is more aimed at demonstrations/ protests, than street corners and stations.
It is a bit big brotherish, but ultimately some members of society have got no clue how to behave properly, and we sadly need enforcement. This tech has been proved to work, and so I support it.
The high court struck down a challenge about discrimination, and parliament seem content to let plod crack on.
Facial recognition has been used used in south London successfully, for things like outstanding warrants for kidnap, rapes and sexual assults.
The police wil have summoned in resources for this specific purpose so I can understand why they wouldn't want to be distracted by trivial stuff like weed.
Re: face covering- it is a loop hole, unless the police issue a s60aa notice, and even that has holes in. But those holes probably get tested at prosecution stage, and plod will probably still arrest someone for not removing a face covering regardless of the strength of their defence (ie scaft because it's cold, mask because covid, kaffiyeh because middle class and professionally outraged etc).
However I think s60aa is more aimed at demonstrations/ protests, than street corners and stations.
It is a bit big brotherish, but ultimately some members of society have got no clue how to behave properly, and we sadly need enforcement. This tech has been proved to work, and so I support it.
The high court struck down a challenge about discrimination, and parliament seem content to let plod crack on.
I was a strong supporter of police controlled CCTV in town centres, trouble spots and for specific incidents. I ran the CCTV room in my nick and the safeguards we built in were more than sufficient. We had lay visitors who came to the room regularly - the only downside was that they preferred it to the cell block, but then, so did I. If someone had a specific problem with a camera: siting, use on a particular day, I would invite them to the room to check any footage and to see the safeguards. They always left reassured. What could go wrong?
The force was forced to privatise the function and move it away from the nick and direct police control.
I'm sure there are lots of safeguards built into the current facial recognition systems which ensure safe use, but come back in ten years and I'm certain they will have gone. There will be cuts to the police yet again and economies to be made. It'll be justified and they'll pull Kevin off the street, pay basic wages and then wonder why it all went bent.
The force was forced to privatise the function and move it away from the nick and direct police control.
I'm sure there are lots of safeguards built into the current facial recognition systems which ensure safe use, but come back in ten years and I'm certain they will have gone. There will be cuts to the police yet again and economies to be made. It'll be justified and they'll pull Kevin off the street, pay basic wages and then wonder why it all went bent.
Derek Smith said:
I was a strong supporter of police controlled CCTV in town centres, trouble spots and for specific incidents. I ran the CCTV room in my nick and the safeguards we built in were more than sufficient. We had lay visitors who came to the room regularly - the only downside was that they preferred it to the cell block, but then, so did I. If someone had a specific problem with a camera: siting, use on a particular day, I would invite them to the room to check any footage and to see the safeguards. They always left reassured. What could go wrong?
The force was forced to privatise the function and move it away from the nick and direct police control.
I'm sure there are lots of safeguards built into the current facial recognition systems which ensure safe use, but come back in ten years and I'm certain they will have gone. There will be cuts to the police yet again and economies to be made. It'll be justified and they'll pull Kevin off the street, pay basic wages and then wonder why it all went bent.
That post sums up my thoughts and fears pretty well.The force was forced to privatise the function and move it away from the nick and direct police control.
I'm sure there are lots of safeguards built into the current facial recognition systems which ensure safe use, but come back in ten years and I'm certain they will have gone. There will be cuts to the police yet again and economies to be made. It'll be justified and they'll pull Kevin off the street, pay basic wages and then wonder why it all went bent.
Road to hell and all that...
paulwirral said:
It s a joke , they had the van in Liverpool city centre with a dozen or so coppers surrounding every entry - exit in twos , when I walked past someone walked through smoking the strongest smelling dope I ve ever witnessed , as usual the cops just stood talking to each other oblivious to the stink of cannabis .
They have drug dogs in Croydon etc. 
Bigends said:
Starfighter said:
Do we know if the system is recorder faces or rust scanning and comparing to the list ?
Apparently just scans the captured image for matches. If no match, the capture image is immediately deletedhttps://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes...
It is a good job that rollout of a national facial recognition system is nothing like communist China.
Likewise, rollout of a Digital ID system on mobile devices, that is to be used to gain (deny) access to things.
havoc said:
...being trialled live:-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedpgz9w22zo
Big Brother really IS watching you now.
More seriously, who thinks this will actually achieve its objectives and who thinks anyone with an outstanding warrant will just wear a hoodie and a covid mask or scarf?
...and who's worried about 'scope creep' and the ability of this to be mis-used should we find ourselves with a more authoritarian government in future?
Town centres are full of morons wearing balaclavas as it is, I'm not sure much will change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cedpgz9w22zo
Big Brother really IS watching you now.
More seriously, who thinks this will actually achieve its objectives and who thinks anyone with an outstanding warrant will just wear a hoodie and a covid mask or scarf?
...and who's worried about 'scope creep' and the ability of this to be mis-used should we find ourselves with a more authoritarian government in future?
Anyway, some decent results have been had from it:
https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-touts-succes...
Oceanrower said:
Ian Geary said:
Cannabis for personal use isn't really a crime any more.
Whilst I get your point, I m not sure that the law agrees with you As for facial recognition, my banking app refuses to recognise my face and I had an almighty struggle with an ID verification app lately, so I assume my features are too rugged and handsome for todays technology
Oceanrower said:
Ian Geary said:
Cannabis for personal use isn't really a crime any more.
Whilst I get your point, I m not sure that the law agrees with you It basically has no penalty, so I can see why the police cba to police it, and residents can't even be bothered to avoid smoking it near plod.
I would hope they still enforce it for driving - we have speed cameras and noise cameras - there needs to be a smell camera next.
Though in Croydon it would probably run out of film very quickly.
Oceanrower said:
Ian Geary said:
Cannabis for personal use isn't really a crime any more.
Whilst I get your point, I m not sure that the law agrees with you Legal or otherwise, the police are not interested.
There are quite a lot of vapes that smell exactly like cannabis.
These days simply smelling cannabis isn't grounds for a stop search either.
It's no wonder no one does anything, smell drugs, search someone (possible a barely know athlete in London, who was driving like a knob) and you too can end up in the press and under investigation for your troubles.
These days simply smelling cannabis isn't grounds for a stop search either.
It's no wonder no one does anything, smell drugs, search someone (possible a barely know athlete in London, who was driving like a knob) and you too can end up in the press and under investigation for your troubles.
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