Brake check crash
Discussion
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/grandmother-ja...
This seems rather harsh. A driver of a Vauxhall apparently decided the BMW behind her was too close and decided to slam her brakes on. It turns out the BMW really was too close and it ran into her, a Harley Davidson behind the BMW was also apparently too close and hit the BMW, killing the rider.
The driver of the Vauxhall has been sent to jail, even though it was the actions of the other driver and rider that turned bad driving into a fatality. Obviously brake checking is a stupid thing to do from a self preservation point of view. But surely the drivers behind have some responsibility to leave enough room to stop?
If I ran into the back of another vehicle I would fully accept it was my fault, now it seems that if someone runs into the back of me then it's also my fault. They've got us both ways.
This seems rather harsh. A driver of a Vauxhall apparently decided the BMW behind her was too close and decided to slam her brakes on. It turns out the BMW really was too close and it ran into her, a Harley Davidson behind the BMW was also apparently too close and hit the BMW, killing the rider.
The driver of the Vauxhall has been sent to jail, even though it was the actions of the other driver and rider that turned bad driving into a fatality. Obviously brake checking is a stupid thing to do from a self preservation point of view. But surely the drivers behind have some responsibility to leave enough room to stop?
If I ran into the back of another vehicle I would fully accept it was my fault, now it seems that if someone runs into the back of me then it's also my fault. They've got us both ways.
In liability for civil claims yes. This is where people get confused but criminal case her actions directly led to death of someone and that's the criminal law.
I admit I've brake checked a few times just when you are in a type of thought process especially those people ,usually German premium brands who are used to dominating the roads.
I admit I've brake checked a few times just when you are in a type of thought process especially those people ,usually German premium brands who are used to dominating the roads.
The sentence seems harsh vs other sentences for other 'crimes'
But at the same time these people brake checking are dicing with something like this happening, people get themselves in serious anger because 'they are doing the speed limit'
Sometimes its best to just let them past.......would have avoided this.
But at the same time these people brake checking are dicing with something like this happening, people get themselves in serious anger because 'they are doing the speed limit'
Sometimes its best to just let them past.......would have avoided this.
Alex Z said:
Brake checking someone is a deliberate dangerous act.
If I want to check my brakes work, I can slam them on in perfect safety. It only becomes a dangerous act when the dangerous behaviour of other people turn it into a dangerous act. The slamming on of the brakes was not the proximate cause of this accident. The other people travelling too close / too fast / too close and fast, was.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If I want to check my brakes work, I can slam them on in perfect safety. It only becomes a dangerous act when the dangerous behaviour of other people turn it into a dangerous act.
The slamming on of the brakes was not the proximate cause of this accident. The other people travelling too close / too fast / too close and fast, was.
I’d suggest slamming on your brakes, unless in an emergency, is a dangerous and stupid thing to do. I always assume that other drivers aren’t paying attention and that their reaction times will be slow, hitting the brakes hard for no apparent reason is likely to cause an accident regardless of how close the vehicle behind is travelling. The slamming on of the brakes was not the proximate cause of this accident. The other people travelling too close / too fast / too close and fast, was.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Alex Z said:
Brake checking someone is a deliberate dangerous act.
If I want to check my brakes work, I can slam them on in perfect safety. It only becomes a dangerous act when the dangerous behaviour of other people turn it into a dangerous act. The slamming on of the brakes was not the proximate cause of this accident. The other people travelling too close / too fast / too close and fast, was.
Austin Prefect said:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/grandmother-ja...
This seems rather harsh. A driver of a Vauxhall apparently decided the BMW behind her was too close and decided to slam her brakes on. It turns out the BMW really was too close and it ran into her, a Harley Davidson behind the BMW was also apparently too close and hit the BMW, killing the rider.
The driver of the Vauxhall has been sent to jail, even though it was the actions of the other driver and rider that turned bad driving into a fatality. Obviously brake checking is a stupid thing to do from a self preservation point of view. But surely the drivers behind have some responsibility to leave enough room to stop?
If I ran into the back of another vehicle I would fully accept it was my fault, now it seems that if someone runs into the back of me then it's also my fault. They've got us both ways.
You observe another car following close behind you with insufficient braking space. How is slamming on the brakes not creating a knowingly dangerous situation? Even if you think you are 'in the right' it's completely idiotic. This seems rather harsh. A driver of a Vauxhall apparently decided the BMW behind her was too close and decided to slam her brakes on. It turns out the BMW really was too close and it ran into her, a Harley Davidson behind the BMW was also apparently too close and hit the BMW, killing the rider.
The driver of the Vauxhall has been sent to jail, even though it was the actions of the other driver and rider that turned bad driving into a fatality. Obviously brake checking is a stupid thing to do from a self preservation point of view. But surely the drivers behind have some responsibility to leave enough room to stop?
If I ran into the back of another vehicle I would fully accept it was my fault, now it seems that if someone runs into the back of me then it's also my fault. They've got us both ways.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If I want to check my brakes work, I can slam them on in perfect safety. It only becomes a dangerous act when the dangerous behaviour of other people turn it into a dangerous act.
The slamming on of the brakes was not the proximate cause of this accident. The other people travelling too close / too fast / too close and fast, was.
With logic like that The slamming on of the brakes was not the proximate cause of this accident. The other people travelling too close / too fast / too close and fast, was.
I might start taking the tube.Two stupid people meet, and 2 wrongs don't make a right.
The biker should also have been further back (as a Biker myself, whilst it technically has good brakes, i know it is far harder to emergency stop a motorcycle than a car)
I have suffered outrageous tail gating before from nobs who can't see there's traffic ahead and think their "specialness" deserves them to just be in front of anyone they choose.
But I tend to ither cover my brake rather than actually apply it, or just continue with my own acceptable braking distance.
Its hard to out-stupid stupid, and ends badly as this driver found out (and the Biker sadly)
The biker should also have been further back (as a Biker myself, whilst it technically has good brakes, i know it is far harder to emergency stop a motorcycle than a car)
I have suffered outrageous tail gating before from nobs who can't see there's traffic ahead and think their "specialness" deserves them to just be in front of anyone they choose.
But I tend to ither cover my brake rather than actually apply it, or just continue with my own acceptable braking distance.
Its hard to out-stupid stupid, and ends badly as this driver found out (and the Biker sadly)
Inlineonline said:
It s like saying I wanted to check if the gun I was holding was actually loaded or not, it s the fault of the person standing in front of me that they got shot in the face
It's more like saying. 'I chose to stand in front of someone with a gun on the basis that it's their responsibility to ensure it's unloaded and not to pull the trigger'. Stupid, but so was the other guy.She deliberately slammed on the brakes and caused the accident.
She took a hazard (car behind her, too close), and turned it into an accident.
She is 100% culpable.
She could have covered the brakes, or gently slowed, so as to avoid the hazard turning into an accident.
She chose not to, and someone died as a result
She took a hazard (car behind her, too close), and turned it into an accident.
She is 100% culpable.
She could have covered the brakes, or gently slowed, so as to avoid the hazard turning into an accident.
She chose not to, and someone died as a result
Sausage dog and mustard said:
She deliberately slammed on the brakes and caused the accident.
She took a hazard (car behind her, too close), and turned it into an accident.
She is 100% culpable.
She could have covered the brakes, or gently slowed, so as to avoid the hazard turning into an accident.
She chose not to, and someone died as a result
Not 100%. The drivers behind had a responsibility to leave a safe stopping distance. If either of them had nobody would have died.She took a hazard (car behind her, too close), and turned it into an accident.
She is 100% culpable.
She could have covered the brakes, or gently slowed, so as to avoid the hazard turning into an accident.
She chose not to, and someone died as a result
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