Environmental Health regarding noise pollution
Discussion
Is anyone on here an Environmental Health Officer or fully understands the recommendations when it comes to noise pollution?
Many years ago we moved close to a nice quiet country pub, that now has a licence to play live music.
For a few years this has not been an issue, but since a new manager's arrival this year, the live music at weekends is from 4pm through to 11pm or 12pm under special licence and is significantly louder.
2 separate phones, albeit with non calibrated apps are recording noise levels constantly between 90 and 95 decibels.
We have spoken to the manager without any resolution, reported to our Council who have just stated the pub has a licence for music.
Surely there should be a recommended noise level for outdoor pub music in a residential area?
Many years ago we moved close to a nice quiet country pub, that now has a licence to play live music.
For a few years this has not been an issue, but since a new manager's arrival this year, the live music at weekends is from 4pm through to 11pm or 12pm under special licence and is significantly louder.
2 separate phones, albeit with non calibrated apps are recording noise levels constantly between 90 and 95 decibels.
We have spoken to the manager without any resolution, reported to our Council who have just stated the pub has a licence for music.
Surely there should be a recommended noise level for outdoor pub music in a residential area?
We had a nieghbour making rediculose amount of noise all day , every day.,....I attempted to reason with him and failed ......contacted enviroment health who installed a noise recorder......and then went to the nieghbour and told him ....so basically ticked a box , we're doing something , while making sure they didn't have to do anything........
Not much help to you , but an indicater of what you're up against
Not much help to you , but an indicater of what you're up against
Art Keller said:
We had a nieghbour making rediculose amount of noise all day , every day.,....I attempted to reason with him and failed ......contacted enviroment health who installed a noise recorder......and then went to the nieghbour and told him ....so basically ticked a box , we're doing something , while making sure they didn't have to do anything........
Not much help to you , but an indicater of what you're up against
ThanksNot much help to you , but an indicater of what you're up against
Exactly how close do you live??
90-95 dB is really very loud, especially if you are some distance away.
Exposure limits are in place for employees that indicate acceptable levels for those working at a venue - one would hope similar applies to those affected in nearby areas...?!
https://musiciansunion.org.uk/health-safety-wellbe...
Buy yourself a proper dB meter that can record A- and C-weighted exposure (one excludes the bass frequencies, which are (AIUI) generally assumed to cause less damage, but I can't remember which is which) and then start taking down some exposure figures. Videos of the dB meter readings shot on the phones should assist any evidence base you might wish to put to the local Environmental Health team.
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/test-measurement/en...
90-95 dB is really very loud, especially if you are some distance away.
Exposure limits are in place for employees that indicate acceptable levels for those working at a venue - one would hope similar applies to those affected in nearby areas...?!
https://musiciansunion.org.uk/health-safety-wellbe...
Buy yourself a proper dB meter that can record A- and C-weighted exposure (one excludes the bass frequencies, which are (AIUI) generally assumed to cause less damage, but I can't remember which is which) and then start taking down some exposure figures. Videos of the dB meter readings shot on the phones should assist any evidence base you might wish to put to the local Environmental Health team.
https://uk.rs-online.com/web/c/test-measurement/en...
I can speak from experience here as I once lived next door to the sleepy village pub, that then turned into a live music venue when a new landlord took over.....
It was idyllic to begin with, the mellow clink of glasses, murmered conversations and everything quite by 11:00.... Then the new landlord arrived, the licensing rules changed and suddenly it was (crap) live music every weekend, sometimes 'til 01:00am.....
We went down the local council environmental health route, noise pollution etc. took measurements, made a diary and everything that went with that...... but, truth is, it was a mistake. We no longer enjoyable living there, we dreaded the weekends and the solution was to move somewhere where we weren't living next to a pub....
So that's what we did.
Sorry, that won't be the answer you are looking for, but we'll never make the mistake of living next to a pub again. You can do all the environmental health stuff if you like, but my advice would be not to - don't make the mistake of creating yourself an issue that you then need to declare in your homeowner selling pack when you put your house on the market. Listen carefully to your inner voice and start looking for a new place to live. Noisy neighbours never get better.
It was idyllic to begin with, the mellow clink of glasses, murmered conversations and everything quite by 11:00.... Then the new landlord arrived, the licensing rules changed and suddenly it was (crap) live music every weekend, sometimes 'til 01:00am.....
We went down the local council environmental health route, noise pollution etc. took measurements, made a diary and everything that went with that...... but, truth is, it was a mistake. We no longer enjoyable living there, we dreaded the weekends and the solution was to move somewhere where we weren't living next to a pub....
So that's what we did.
Sorry, that won't be the answer you are looking for, but we'll never make the mistake of living next to a pub again. You can do all the environmental health stuff if you like, but my advice would be not to - don't make the mistake of creating yourself an issue that you then need to declare in your homeowner selling pack when you put your house on the market. Listen carefully to your inner voice and start looking for a new place to live. Noisy neighbours never get better.
Thanks everyone.
We have already contacted the Council as have all of our other neighbours, so I guess we will always have to declare this.
I may just try to have a chat with our EHO who has sent a notification to the pub and sent a form for us all to complete.
I am just trying to understand/find if there is any noise limit for outside pub music, but can't find anything using a search engine, which I find bizarre!
We have already contacted the Council as have all of our other neighbours, so I guess we will always have to declare this.
I may just try to have a chat with our EHO who has sent a notification to the pub and sent a form for us all to complete.
I am just trying to understand/find if there is any noise limit for outside pub music, but can't find anything using a search engine, which I find bizarre!
We lived next to a quiet pub that changed landlords frequently. They each came in with their ideas which generally created noise. We tried to resolve with pub and brewery but got no where, so went to EO.
We raised complaints and EO did not do much....but I believe that every strike goes on file, so it tightens the noise whenever they applied for a licence. A carefully written diary of events and communications with EO, and sensible enails/letters on record is a must.
We never had to declare any of this when we sold our house as there was no 'dispute'.
Lived there for 9 years. It really ground me down. I hated it. The day we moved out, I did not look back. Best thing we ever did.
The error was...the pub was OK to start with...but things never stay the same. It is hard running a pub...so every money making idea, no matter how stupid, came to fruition.
I will never ever live next door to a pub again.
We raised complaints and EO did not do much....but I believe that every strike goes on file, so it tightens the noise whenever they applied for a licence. A carefully written diary of events and communications with EO, and sensible enails/letters on record is a must.
We never had to declare any of this when we sold our house as there was no 'dispute'.
Lived there for 9 years. It really ground me down. I hated it. The day we moved out, I did not look back. Best thing we ever did.
The error was...the pub was OK to start with...but things never stay the same. It is hard running a pub...so every money making idea, no matter how stupid, came to fruition.
I will never ever live next door to a pub again.
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