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My eternal wonderment in what it is you are doing to get them, and how on earth you kept count!
In saying that though, you do have a 'noticable' car! I think in one year of having a yellow Tuscan I got pulled as many times as the previous 8 years of driving!
Top car though, I have been thinking of one myself but I think I would be crippled by the running and servicing costs. Whats the running like?
In saying that though, you do have a 'noticable' car! I think in one year of having a yellow Tuscan I got pulled as many times as the previous 8 years of driving!
Top car though, I have been thinking of one myself but I think I would be crippled by the running and servicing costs. Whats the running like?
nightmare said:
Well today I passed an important milestone in my life. Producer number 50! (cue applause) Do I get to claim a prize of some sort?
Yep - you can apply for 2 free tickets to see a policeman of your choice, or an invitation to the Police Xmas Ball - suppose you know why policemen have bigger balls than firemen ??
THEY GIVE OUT MORE TICKETS !!!
to be honest I was driving along at 30mph in a 30 limit yesterday morning and the young lady in the police car hadnt done tickets before and so used me as practise (Im pretty certin anyway...her reason for stopping me was 'there are a lot of these stolen recently' yeah.)
i started counting them years ago after getting 6 in one weekend on way too and from Supercar Sunday.
the lambo isn't as bad to run as i feared, but im not using it nearly enough so my tyres bill has dropped!
i started counting them years ago after getting 6 in one weekend on way too and from Supercar Sunday.
the lambo isn't as bad to run as i feared, but im not using it nearly enough so my tyres bill has dropped!
Like there's a glut of them to choose from!
nightmare said:
to be honest I was driving along at 30mph in a 30 limit yesterday morning and the young lady in the police car hadnt done tickets before and so used me as practise (Im pretty certin anyway...her reason for stopping me was 'there are a lot of these stolen recently' yeah.)
i started counting them years ago after getting 6 in one weekend on way too and from Supercar Sunday.
the lambo isn't as bad to run as i feared, but im not using it nearly enough so my tyres bill has dropped!
Hmm, I dont think that counts as a reason for giving you a producer and you spending your time and money sorting it. I would have challenged that at the time!
Now, if there was a report of a purple diablo stolen, then fair enough, they could have stopped you and checked there and then. That would be like saying 'a black guy fitting your exact description was reported for a robbery, would you mind if I check your pockets?'
What she has in fact said is tantamount to being the same as 'You are a black guy, we have had a lot of black guys who have robbed some stuff lately' and using that as the 'good reason' to stop you.
That I believe is very wrong, and sounds like an excuse for an ego trip for pulling you over. The public arnt there to be guinea pigs. They are in fact there to go about their business, whilst paying the taxes which fund the existance of the police in the first place.
>> Edited by justinp1 on Thursday 20th October 14:56
justinp1 said:
Hmm, I dont think that counts as a reason for giving you a producer and you spending your time and money sorting it. I would have challenged that at the time!
That I believe is very wrong, and sounds like an excuse for an ego trip for pulling you over. The public arnt there to be guinea pigs. They are in fact there to go about their business, whilst paying the taxes which fund the existance of the police in the first place.
Jeez, how many times?
A Police officer in uniform does NOT require ANY reason to stop a vehllce (s163 Road Traffic Act 1988).
Yes, it is usual that there is some sort of reason to stop a vehicle. Most officers are too busy to just stop vehicles for the hell of it (although there are of course exceptions, and I would not be so naive to think this is not the case).
If, when a driver is stopped by the Police, they fail to produce their documents at the time, they (technically) commit an offence. These offences are NFA'd by way of the "producer".
edit for pore speling
>> Edited by Dibble on Thursday 20th October 15:47
Now now Justinp1 - you will like this - not a lot.
Firstly the power to stop a vehicle by uniformed PC under S 163 RTA 88 makes no mention of having any reason or suspicion to do so. He can just leap out and hold his hand up and YOU HAVE TO STOP. If you don't then offence. But the High Court have stated that he must be acting bona fide and not capriciously (Beard v Wood 1980). So that is some redress. Bear in mind also some C. C's have empowered some CSO's to do likewise at road checks.
Having stopped one must remain so that PC can exercise other powers such as:
S 164 - ask driver on a road to produce his Driving Licence, again no mention of any suspicions etc.
Similarly under section 165 to produce Insurance and Test certificate. Shortly to come into force are The Disclosure of Vehicle Insurance Information Regs 2005 authorising the passage of MIB information to police data bases so Bib should be aware of the position of Insurance in respect of the vehicle before stopping. Likewise when the MOT computor is up and running all will be revealed.
50 producers seems to me a hell of a lot and I admire the patience of the driver who seems to have taken no action to redress the issue which on the face of it is starting to look like harrassment. So why is he getting the attention.
1.Manner of driving?
2.Appearance of driver at odds with such an expensive/sporty vehicle? There always was and still is some considerable trade in the theft of such sporty vehicles without naming a particular make. Believe it or not but stolen vehicles are recovered by random checks when PNC gives no information.
3.Somewhat prohibitive cost of Insurance for such a vehicle could lead to detection of the offence.
4.Inquisitiveness of Nova bound Plod as to what it really looks like?. Have been Guilty of this myself in the past but have admitted why I stopped and appreciated the time given.
But as I say 50, wow. If the majority of these are from one force area time to have a visit go Plod shop and have a dicussion with Duty Sir to see what can be done. May well stop 3, and 4 pulls but not 1 and 2.
Question does a driver of a such a machine ever get out of 2nd gear on GB roads????????
dvd
Firstly the power to stop a vehicle by uniformed PC under S 163 RTA 88 makes no mention of having any reason or suspicion to do so. He can just leap out and hold his hand up and YOU HAVE TO STOP. If you don't then offence. But the High Court have stated that he must be acting bona fide and not capriciously (Beard v Wood 1980). So that is some redress. Bear in mind also some C. C's have empowered some CSO's to do likewise at road checks.
Having stopped one must remain so that PC can exercise other powers such as:
S 164 - ask driver on a road to produce his Driving Licence, again no mention of any suspicions etc.
Similarly under section 165 to produce Insurance and Test certificate. Shortly to come into force are The Disclosure of Vehicle Insurance Information Regs 2005 authorising the passage of MIB information to police data bases so Bib should be aware of the position of Insurance in respect of the vehicle before stopping. Likewise when the MOT computor is up and running all will be revealed.
50 producers seems to me a hell of a lot and I admire the patience of the driver who seems to have taken no action to redress the issue which on the face of it is starting to look like harrassment. So why is he getting the attention.
1.Manner of driving?
2.Appearance of driver at odds with such an expensive/sporty vehicle? There always was and still is some considerable trade in the theft of such sporty vehicles without naming a particular make. Believe it or not but stolen vehicles are recovered by random checks when PNC gives no information.
3.Somewhat prohibitive cost of Insurance for such a vehicle could lead to detection of the offence.
4.Inquisitiveness of Nova bound Plod as to what it really looks like?. Have been Guilty of this myself in the past but have admitted why I stopped and appreciated the time given.
But as I say 50, wow. If the majority of these are from one force area time to have a visit go Plod shop and have a dicussion with Duty Sir to see what can be done. May well stop 3, and 4 pulls but not 1 and 2.
Question does a driver of a such a machine ever get out of 2nd gear on GB roads????????
dvd
Dwight VanDriver said:
Now now Justinp1 - you will like this - not a lot.
Hi Dibble, Dvd,
Please dont get the wrong idea, I certainly *do* like the content of your posts, in fact they are very informative!
I am in no way challenging the legality of being able to stop a vehicle. On the occasion that the poster has mentioned however, I believe on principle in my opinion that their actions were wrong to my set of morals as I will explain.
Apart from a couple of run-ins with some BiB that I have mentioned before, I support the work of the police. Furthermore, even when I was pulled over twice and given a producer, and explained why, they took the time to fully explain why I was pulled over, I understood the position and supported their actions, and even told them so!
One of the occasion I drove on a night out as a designated driver and on the way back I was being given drunken (and thus late) directions. Little did I know that I was being followed on the deserted dual carriageway when I indicated very late and slowed rather quickly for a slip road. The officer explained why he had pulled me over and that it was a peak time for drunk driving, and my actions may have been the hallmark of a drunk driver. This I firmly agreed with them, apologised for the late signal and manouvre, explained the situation, and after a breath test to make sure I was on my way with a producer as I did not have my documents with me. Fair enough, and a good show as it actually futher supported my view of the policing for drink driving!
Now, if I had given no cause for the BiB to believe I may be drink driving I would be a little annoyed that I was 'chosen' to be pulled over for no apparant reason. I would have got on with it though. If it happened 50 times to me, it would get beyond a joke.
I do not believe that many (or any) purple lambos had been stolen in that area. Thus, if I am right the poster had been told something by a PC on duty which was blatantly not true. This was offered as a reason for stopping his day to day, lawful business. Regardless of the ability for the PC to do this, I do not think this is 'right'.
I do not doubt that random checks will prove some positive results. I also fully support the digital recognition system to flag up number plates of wanted people who have committed a crime. In my opinion by committing a crime, they have given up their right that society should offer them the freedom to go about their business without fear of getting caught. I support this as it also does not infringe in the business of lawful citizens in any way.
For me, if my car is pulled for no reason I would feel just as infringed upon as if I were stopped in the street and asked to explain myself in case I had just committed a crime. But that might just be me. If it this happened 50 times I would have complained before now, that or pinched myself to check if I was dreaming that I was living in 1984! (the book and film, not the year that is...
) That said, if the poster and thread starter does go around spinning the back wheels at each set of lights or has some reasons for him to be suspected of a crime, please let us know!
Similarly, if there are some members on here who have had their purple diablos stolen in that constabulary, then I take this all back!
>> Edited by justinp1 on Thursday 20th October 16:50
that's a very good point! though wouldnt leave documents in car and am not organised enough to constantly move them about clothes. shoddy excuse but there ya go
Im not complaining at all to be honest. The vast majority of these stops have been curiosity and i would think DvDs suggestion of 'not looking like i should own it.' That said, i have also been cautioned for speeding, very speeding, and having no front numberplate. On the other side... 'going equipped' (personal favourite)...I had some black gloves on the passenger seat! doing 50 on a motorway in my esprit (twas raining cats and dogs and 1 am!), and 'glaring' at a WPC in an unmarked astra who cut 3 lanes of a roundabout and nearly hit two people including me...the male oficer next to her actually screamed at me from his car 'do you have a f**king problem'.
Have only be annoyed by two stops...that one and one where a copper felt i had accelerated too fast - which p*ssed me off as it was actually very unreasonbale and i was being careful as i knew full well he was there (unmarked ST220)
All bar those two cops have been friendly, polite and very fair (not a single point from ALL of these stops....several from scameras..) They have been in many different counties and my personal experience of UK plod is pretty damn positive as a result.
I think that if i draw attention to myself in such an overt manner, then i guess i should expect it. Mind you, her excuse was definitely the least practised i've heard
Im not complaining at all to be honest. The vast majority of these stops have been curiosity and i would think DvDs suggestion of 'not looking like i should own it.' That said, i have also been cautioned for speeding, very speeding, and having no front numberplate. On the other side... 'going equipped' (personal favourite)...I had some black gloves on the passenger seat! doing 50 on a motorway in my esprit (twas raining cats and dogs and 1 am!), and 'glaring' at a WPC in an unmarked astra who cut 3 lanes of a roundabout and nearly hit two people including me...the male oficer next to her actually screamed at me from his car 'do you have a f**king problem'.
Have only be annoyed by two stops...that one and one where a copper felt i had accelerated too fast - which p*ssed me off as it was actually very unreasonbale and i was being careful as i knew full well he was there (unmarked ST220)
All bar those two cops have been friendly, polite and very fair (not a single point from ALL of these stops....several from scameras..) They have been in many different counties and my personal experience of UK plod is pretty damn positive as a result.
I think that if i draw attention to myself in such an overt manner, then i guess i should expect it. Mind you, her excuse was definitely the least practised i've heard
Ahh well, a positive end to a good discussion. Interesting to find that I am guessing you wouldnt have got as many in a Ford Escort!
I shall test out your 'going equipped' theory next time, next time I go for a drive I'll get three of my mates and me to wear balaclavas and see what happens!
Actually, I might not, I dont want to spend a month locked up without charge whilst they investigate me for terrorist links!
I shall test out your 'going equipped' theory next time, next time I go for a drive I'll get three of my mates and me to wear balaclavas and see what happens!
Actually, I might not, I dont want to spend a month locked up without charge whilst they investigate me for terrorist links!
On a similar vein, of interesting reasons to be pulled, some years ago I was being given a lift home by my father after a rugby match. It was about 2130 hrs and he was pulled over by a patrol car hidden in a side road. The reason given for the stop was that he was driving carefully at the speed limit and therefore was probably drunk as everyone else always exceeded the speed limit down that particular road!!!!! He was breath tested and then let go on his way. A very polite female BiB, as I recall, and no offence was taken indeed dad and I just had a laugh about it as we continued home.
Darth Viper said:
Er, seems like a strange solution, but how about after the first several dozen stops, you solve the problem by actually 'carrying' said required documents with you. Or am I missing something?
I would never carry those documents around with me. Aside from the theft risk (car or person), I don't trust EVERY copper.
havoc said:
Er, seems like a strange solution, but how about after the first several dozen stops, you solve the problem by actually 'carrying' said required documents with you. Or am I missing something?
I would never carry those documents around with me. Aside from the theft risk (car or person), I don't trust EVERY copper.
Although I now carry my diving licence in my wallet as it is a convenient car size, I have never taken my certificate of insurance with me.
I believe that this document is your only proof of insurance, and it needs to be in your possession to effectively be insured. Thus I have always kept it locked at home. If you were to ever lose that document, technically under the terms of the insurance you are no longer in possession of it and thus not insured.
I remember a previous question asked about this on a forum. This is also why you need to send back the original certificate if you want to cancel your policy, as the policy is contained in the piece of paper, not on their computer records.
justinp1 said:
havoc said:
Darth Viper said:
Er, seems like a strange solution, but how about after the first several dozen stops, you solve the problem by actually 'carrying' said required documents with you. Or am I missing something?
I would never carry those documents around with me. Aside from the theft risk (car or person), I don't trust EVERY copper.
Although I now carry my diving licence in my wallet as it is a convenient car size, I have never taken my certificate of insurance with me.
I believe that this document is your only proof of insurance, and it needs to be in your possession to effectively be insured. Thus I have always kept it locked at home. If you were to ever lose that document, technically under the terms of the insurance you are no longer in possession of it and thus not insured.
I remember a previous question asked about this on a forum. This is also why you need to send back the original certificate if you want to cancel your policy, as the policy is contained in the piece of paper, not on their computer records.
I carry a photocopy of the insurance certificate, it looks identical in every way.
>> Edited by kevinday on Friday 21st October 16:14
In many countries (incl France) it is an offence not to have the documents with you in the car. There is no 'produce' option. Fail to show your licence and insurance and you get an on the spot fine.
So maybe we should count our blessings. The majority of occasions it is no more than a slight nuisance, coupled with a tinge of relief that you haven't been nicked for anything (apart from people like me whose cars are always 100% and who never bend the rules even slightly).
So maybe we should count our blessings. The majority of occasions it is no more than a slight nuisance, coupled with a tinge of relief that you haven't been nicked for anything (apart from people like me whose cars are always 100% and who never bend the rules even slightly).
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