MOT Failure Question
Discussion
I think that the new test will supercede the previous test certificate. But currently there is no way of checking weather a ticket has been superceded or not.
Technically a MOT test cert is valid for a year but they all state that it is only aplicable to the date of the test as the next day it could very well fail the test.
As long as you had a test certificate that covers the period of the driving there shouldent be a problem, just be aware that if you do retest and it fails then you know that the car needs work doing to it and you may as well get it done and have the extra time added to the new test certificate.
Happy to be corrected though as im not 100% sure on the rules as i am only aware that a Motorvehicle needs a valid mot test certificate and if one is shown to me in date then thats that.
Technically a MOT test cert is valid for a year but they all state that it is only aplicable to the date of the test as the next day it could very well fail the test.
As long as you had a test certificate that covers the period of the driving there shouldent be a problem, just be aware that if you do retest and it fails then you know that the car needs work doing to it and you may as well get it done and have the extra time added to the new test certificate.
Happy to be corrected though as im not 100% sure on the rules as i am only aware that a Motorvehicle needs a valid mot test certificate and if one is shown to me in date then thats that.
IIRC All MOTs are computerised now so the DVLA will know the moment your garage fails your vehicle. From that point on you cannot drive your vehicle on the road other than to get the repairs done or to get a retest. Any older test is immediately void. Your insurance company could also obtain this info as could the plod should they want. 
echo said:
IIRC All MOTs are computerised now so the DVLA will know the moment your garage fails your vehicle. From that point on you cannot drive your vehicle on the road other than to get the repairs done or to get a retest. Any older test is immediately void. Your insurance company could also obtain this info as could the plod should they want.
Are you sure about that?
You can submit a vehicle for a MOT one month earlier than when the certificate expires. If a pass then they mark the new Certificate with the issue date of the date of the test and a thirteen month validity. They retain the old certificate which has to be produced if you want the 13 month test.
Presumably if it fails then the old cerificate will be handed back as it is still valid. If stopped then as validity is still current it can be produced on a stop. Bib will not know unless he makes a check of MOT Records (when they become live and notes a fail). Then, defect may be such that he invokes powers and puts the vehicle off the road and/or reports offences against Con and Use Regs.
Not sure what the DoT instructions are to garages faced with this. In the interest of road safety would have though a fail gives the power to suspend the currency of a MOT Certificate.
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dvd
Presumably if it fails then the old cerificate will be handed back as it is still valid. If stopped then as validity is still current it can be produced on a stop. Bib will not know unless he makes a check of MOT Records (when they become live and notes a fail). Then, defect may be such that he invokes powers and puts the vehicle off the road and/or reports offences against Con and Use Regs.
Not sure what the DoT instructions are to garages faced with this. In the interest of road safety would have though a fail gives the power to suspend the currency of a MOT Certificate.
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dvd
It sounds a bit of a grey area to me. In the eyes of the law he needs a valid MOT certificate, which he still has and can produce. In the light of that, he would be in the clear. However, if the vehicle fails it's MOT then it's presumably not roadworthy for the very reason it failed the MOT which could then lead to a seperate offence being committed.
You're in the clear on the question, but nicked anyway
You're in the clear on the question, but nicked anyway
I thought an MOT was valid for 12 months but the car might deemed be un-roadworthy at any point if re-checked. It would still count as a valid MOT certificate for insurance and tax etc unless the car had been officially classified as otherwise (eg after an accident).
Isn't the normal case of being stopped for a minor MOT fail fault, like tyresetc, to get a correction notice and a possible fine. No invalidating of MOT or re-test. Obviously if it was really serious the car can be impounded as un-safe and not allowed back on the road until it is fixed.
Isn't the normal case of being stopped for a minor MOT fail fault, like tyresetc, to get a correction notice and a possible fine. No invalidating of MOT or re-test. Obviously if it was really serious the car can be impounded as un-safe and not allowed back on the road until it is fixed.
With the MOT paperwork now only being a 'receipt', insurance details being kept on a datebase and the DVLA having a database of all licensed drivers looks like being given a 'producer' will soon be a thing of the past.
Having experienced a weekend of living below freezing last weekend because the Gas Company's computer system was 'down' and they could send an engineer to fix a meter fault I just wonder how many more chavs without any license/MOT/Insurance will get away with it because the computer was 'down' when they were stopped.
We all know the governments record in installing and running large scale computer systems is apalling (Newport Passport Office, Child Support Agency, etc) - What makes us think this one will be any better.
Having experienced a weekend of living below freezing last weekend because the Gas Company's computer system was 'down' and they could send an engineer to fix a meter fault I just wonder how many more chavs without any license/MOT/Insurance will get away with it because the computer was 'down' when they were stopped.
We all know the governments record in installing and running large scale computer systems is apalling (Newport Passport Office, Child Support Agency, etc) - What makes us think this one will be any better.
I don't think any of the answers are quite correct. Here is what I think:
- Any MOT certificate/test is valid for 12 months, no matter the roadworthiness of the car or any subsequent tests up until the date of expiry.
- A car cannot be driven on the road in an unroadworthy state, whether to/from an MOT or anywhere else. If it is a less serious failure item it can be driven to/from the centre and to/from a place of repair (but only after failing)
- I am pretty sure in saying that if a car fails on ANY item before the previous test expires it does not invalidate the old test - you could repair the item the same day but not get it retested for a week.
Gareth
- Any MOT certificate/test is valid for 12 months, no matter the roadworthiness of the car or any subsequent tests up until the date of expiry.
- A car cannot be driven on the road in an unroadworthy state, whether to/from an MOT or anywhere else. If it is a less serious failure item it can be driven to/from the centre and to/from a place of repair (but only after failing)
- I am pretty sure in saying that if a car fails on ANY item before the previous test expires it does not invalidate the old test - you could repair the item the same day but not get it retested for a week.
Gareth
Having thought a bit more about this i think the following.
The MOT test certificate is valid for 12 months from date of issue, but it says that the certificate only states the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test.
Having a retest before the 12 month period wont actually invalidate the test certificate provided the vehicle does not fail on safety where the MOT certificate could be witheld.
The only thing i am aware of that can invalidate a MOT is a vehicle inspection by inspectorate or an autherised police officer where notice of prohibition can be issued.
The person who can invalidate a MOT test as above i guess could be a autherised MOT tester but the grounds should be the same as prohibition.
For the road test if a driver produced to me a valid MOT test certificate at the time then he fulfills the requirement.
I guess the fact the DVLA update our PNC databse they could put a marker against the vehcile stating that the vehcile's test certificate has been withdrawn, same as prohibition notices.
Hope that helps.
>> Edited by ^Slider^ on Thursday 24th November 16:37
The MOT test certificate is valid for 12 months from date of issue, but it says that the certificate only states the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test.
Having a retest before the 12 month period wont actually invalidate the test certificate provided the vehicle does not fail on safety where the MOT certificate could be witheld.
The only thing i am aware of that can invalidate a MOT is a vehicle inspection by inspectorate or an autherised police officer where notice of prohibition can be issued.
The person who can invalidate a MOT test as above i guess could be a autherised MOT tester but the grounds should be the same as prohibition.
For the road test if a driver produced to me a valid MOT test certificate at the time then he fulfills the requirement.
I guess the fact the DVLA update our PNC databse they could put a marker against the vehcile stating that the vehcile's test certificate has been withdrawn, same as prohibition notices.
Hope that helps.
>> Edited by ^Slider^ on Thursday 24th November 16:37
echo said:
The MOT 'certificate' is no longer a cerificate
The ONLY valid record of an MOT status is on the VOSA database
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In your dreams unless you are extremely unlucky. Not one MoT test station in this area has gone over to the computerised system. One has had the equipment installed but it has been lying dormant for over 6 months. The 'off the record' VOSA answer that the test station I use was given was that he doubted it would ever work properly.
Think about it, it's a Government computer system. Then think CSA, Air Traffic Control, etc. Working for a Government department I have seen it before. Someone decides that there needs to be a centralised record of MoT certificates. Someone else then thinks that the computer could not only keep a record of the certicates but could be made to run the whole system. In theory, yes it probably could, but not with the sort of money and expertise the Government are prepared to throw at it. All they really need, and what will probably happen to get them out of the situation, is a link between test station and VOSA/DVLA or wherever so that a record is kept when a certificate is issued.
My local test centre uses the new system - but reading some more:
'The original date for the first MOT stations to be computerised was May 2002 but faults discovered during extensive testing led to repeated delays. The first garages finally went live with the system in April this year but the government has now admitted it will not reach all 18,500 MOT garages until the end of March next year at the earliest'
'The original date for the first MOT stations to be computerised was May 2002 but faults discovered during extensive testing led to repeated delays. The first garages finally went live with the system in April this year but the government has now admitted it will not reach all 18,500 MOT garages until the end of March next year at the earliest'
BigBob said:Spot on
We all know the governments record in installing and running large scale computer systems is apalling (Newport Passport Office, Child Support Agency, etc) - What makes us think this one will be any better.
Ok, the question was down to an office dispute which was resolved when someone emailed VOSA.
The correct answer is...... (drumroll!)
"The current MOT is valid until midnight on the date of expiry -regardless of whether or not you have a test and fail before that time."
I must admit this is contrary to what I believed, which was that a subsequent fail superceded a previously issued certificate.
The correct answer is...... (drumroll!)
"The current MOT is valid until midnight on the date of expiry -regardless of whether or not you have a test and fail before that time."
I must admit this is contrary to what I believed, which was that a subsequent fail superceded a previously issued certificate.
My family's garage has had computerization for at least 6 months.
The project was massively delayed, but some bright spark had already ordered the machines years ago when the idea was in its infancy. Hence the computers we got for it are a good few years old (having sat in a warehouse for ages presumably) and come with a comedy 14.4 kbps modem
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genius!
Russell
The project was massively delayed, but some bright spark had already ordered the machines years ago when the idea was in its infancy. Hence the computers we got for it are a good few years old (having sat in a warehouse for ages presumably) and come with a comedy 14.4 kbps modem
. genius!
Russell
sb-1 said:Interesting. Presumably they choose their roll-out sequence carefully, but I wonder what the criteria for choosing are.
The new style MOT certificates(computerized ones) will not be implimented nationwide until March 2006.
I know I got a computerised certificate when mine was done last weekend, and the tester(s) didn't have many good things to say about it. (The system that is, not my car!)
Oli.
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