Have I committed an RTA?
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grand-one

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178 posts

285 months

Thursday 8th December 2005
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Looking for some advice on this one: I have to drive to see people at their home address as part of my job and recently visited some people who live in a cul-de-sac on an estate where there is very little parking and very narrow roads. I parked my car opposite the house I was visiting and upon returning to my car an hour later the neighbour came out to tell me I had caused an RTA. Naturally very concerned that someone had been hurt or banged their car I enquired as to the nature of the RTA.

The reply somewhat shocked me: Said neighbour states he is a policeman and that the RTA involves his property, and that the damage was that a 2 metre stretch of grass along the edge of his lawn had been flattened by my tyre as I parked the car. I had not churned the grass up nor left any muddy marks, just flattened the grass a little. At first I though he was winding me up but he turned out to be deadly serious. Took a note of my car registration number and told me that if I didnt give him my contact and insurance details he would report me. I apologised profusely and gave him my name and mobile number, but he insists that he will be taking photos of the incident at 'first light' and that he would be gaining quotes from a gardener as to whether the grass would need to be replaced!

Could'nt believe what I was hearing and tried to explain that as it was grass surely it would bounce back from having a tyre run over it. He was adamant that I had caused damage and insisted that if I dont sort it out he will report me. Question is, have I actually committed an offence, RTA or otherwise, and how would the Police view this? Seems rather trivial to me, although obviously very important to him. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

timsta

2,779 posts

276 months

Thursday 8th December 2005
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As he claimed to be a police officer, you did remember to ask for his number, didn't you?

purpleheadedcerb

1,143 posts

252 months

Thursday 8th December 2005
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I thought it was only roadside furnniture that counted (lamp posts, barriers etc).

What an arse!

Let him report it, he'll be the butt of all jokes in the canteen.

cheeky

2,104 posts

294 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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isn't RTA a road traffic accident? that's what I've always assumed

don't worry - it's tosh

Kinky

39,944 posts

299 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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How can he prove it was you?

At the end of the day - it's your word against his .... he says himself that we won't have 'evidence' until the morning ..... no sign of your vehicle causing the damage - and whats not to say that someone else parked there after you, or overnight?

And if you have caused an RTA - then I guess there's a few hundred thousand other folk doing exactly the same thing - if it was nice easy earner - then they'd all be prosecuted.

K

pmanson

13,388 posts

283 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Kinky said:
if it was nice easy earner - then they'd all be prosecuted.



Please don't give them ideas!

Dwight VanDriver

6,583 posts

274 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Yes it is a reportable RTA.

Where damage is caused:

"to any other property constructed on,fixed to,growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land." (S170 (1)(b)(iii) RTA 88.

dvd

Cooperman

4,428 posts

280 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Surely an 'accident' is something you don't intend to do. If you drive on some grass, knowing it is grass, you also know that it will be temporarily flattened.
Surely the question would be 'is this criminal damage', since the driver knew what he was doing.
What a load of old nonsense this is.

anniesdad

14,589 posts

268 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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What a storm in a tea cup. Where's the damage?

Move along....nothing to see here.

Sounds like a "Little Hitler" trying it on to me, probably got nothing better to do.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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anniesdad said:
Sounds like a "Little Hitler" trying it on to me, probably got nothing better to do.




Mind you, substitute 'Utter tt' for Little Hitler and its even more accurate...

pdV6

16,442 posts

291 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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On another tack - where does "his" land end? Those grass verges between pavement and road I thought were council property, not private.

unless you drove across his lawn to get to a parking space!

black-k1

12,803 posts

259 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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While I agree the reaction is totally over the top, I expect that you are probably not the first to park on this chaps grass and he is probably fed up having to tend to the grass after it has been driven over by less considerate people.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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You really should have been rather impolite to the bloke.

Its not like the CPS are going to run with it, is it?

You stand accused of 'flattening some grass', how do you plead?

GKP

15,099 posts

271 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Thing is, by the time the case gets to court (March/April?) the "evidence" would have bounced back and been flymo'd.

bumpkin

158 posts

285 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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if flattening it is an rta what would be the charge for cutting it, causing gbh by reckless driving?

sheepy

3,164 posts

279 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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grand-one said:
The reply somewhat shocked me: Said neighbour states he is a policeman.
Did the neighbour offer any evidence that he was a lawn-enforcement officer?

Davel

8,982 posts

288 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Clearly he was really upset because you'd parked in front of his house.

I wonder if he owns the grass there, or if it's owned by the Council.

What a pratt.

If the ground is unmarked, then the grass will very quickly recover anyway - perhaps he likes to park there himself.

slim_boy_fat

735 posts

269 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Dwight VanDriver said:
Yes it is a reportable RTA.

Where damage is caused:

"to any other property constructed on,fixed to,growing in or otherwise forming part of the land on which the road in question is situated or land adjacent to such land." (S170 (1)(b)(iii) RTA 88.

dvd


So where was the damage caused?

Flatening grass does not nessassarily damage it.

If he is a BiB then is sounds like he needs is gonads parted by a size 10 doc martin! Stupid tt should know better, basically e was trying to bully you.

Did I mention "Pathclear"?

Wasnt me!!!!

wiggy001

7,377 posts

301 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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If you opened his gate to enter his garden, would you be guilty of criminal damage to the fence (until you closed it and the evidence was lost)?

Complete crap. Ignore it.

Mr Whippy

32,453 posts

271 months

Friday 9th December 2005
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Slim boy fat has the right idea

Just wait till the plonkers little crusade has blown over first, then go back and do the right thing

Dave