RE: 'Tricks' booklet misleads: researcher
RE: 'Tricks' booklet misleads: researcher
Thursday 16th February 2006

'Tricks' booklet misleads: researcher

Speeding advice intimidates and is untruthful


Cheetah booklet gives bad advice
Cheetah booklet gives bad advice
The row about Greater Manchester Police's (GMP) booklet "A Book of Tricks" (see link below for PH story) has reached a new crescendo as a lawyer calls for it to be withdrawn.

Sent out with speed camera tickets, the booklet gives details of "Operation Cheetah" as well as offering some pro-speed camera publicity. Operation Cheetah is intended to catch people who attempt to evade speeding tickets dishonestly, which in itself is probably no bad thing.

But according to Paul Smith, founder of the road safety group Safe Speed the booklet goes "far too far" and "seeks to intimidate those who may have a legitimate defence."

Grossly unfair

John Josephs, a solicitor specialising in motoring law, said: ""While I accept that there is a small minority of motorists who might resort to measures of the kind set out in this booklet, I am appalled that Greater Manchester police should try to mislead the public by suggesting that all the matters mentioned in the booklet amount to fraud.   Some of them, if genuine, amount to a perfectly proper defence in law and for the police to describe someone who puts forward such a defence as a "Cheater" is grossly unfair and is clearly an attempt to frighten people against using their rights.

Nowhere in the booklet do the police advise motorists what to do if they genuinely do not know who was driving.  They do not even advise motorists to seek independent legal advice. I consider that this booklet should be withdrawn immediately."

Bluff and bluster

Paul Smith, founder of the Safe Speed road safety campaign, said: "This appalling booklet goes far too far and deliberately seeks to intimidate drivers who may have a legitimate defence. It contains false and misleading information and falls far below the standards that we are entitled to expect from the Police and the justice system.

"Greater Manchester Police have clearly forgotten that they are public servants and that we are innocent until proven guilty in accordance with the law. For a long time we have been referring to Police tactics in speed camera cases with the phrase: 'bluff and bluster' and this booklet is one of the worst examples of a rot that pervades the system.

"I can only assume that Greater Manchester Police have issued the booklet in the hope that they can spend less time in the future investigating speed camera offences. I've got a better idea -- and I couldn't be more serious -- they need to scrap the cameras and Police the roads properly looking out for all manner of bad driving - not just speeding."

"Mentioning the Association of British Drivers, Safe Speed and Pepipoo on a page entitled 'Trick Dealers' is an unwarranted slur that approaches libel."

Mike Morgan of www.pepipoo.com (a Web site mentioned on the 'Trick dealers" page -- see link to booklet below) said: "The booklet is distasteful and abhorrent. The information it contains is misleading and intimidating. PePiPoo’s mission is to inform the motorist, how the police and judiciary deal with allegations of speeding in real life and especially to provide the information that innocent motorists need to defend themselves."

The single most critical flaw is probably on the page entitled: "Tricks". The leaflet says that "stating that you don't know who was driving..." is a 'trick' employed by drivers. On occasion it might be true - in as much as the claim made is a lie. But in thousands of cases where the claim is true it amounts to a statutory defence.

Examples of bad information

What's clear, as mentioned in PistonHeads' original story, is that the booklet leaves out key information that may be of great importance to innocent motorists. Safe Speed's research has produced the following examples:

  • RTOA 1988 S172(4) provides a statutory defence for vehicle owners who cannot identify the driver at the time of the alleged offence. But the booklet implies that use of this statutory defence amounts to fraud.
  • RTA 1984 S87 provides a statutory defence for motorists accused of speeding if their vehicle was being used for 'fire police or ambulance purposes' at the time of the alleged offence.
  • NHS costs: the information regarding health service costs of crashes is wildly wrong. According to DfT figures, the costs are:
  - Fatal: £5,469
  - Serious: £12,806
  - Slight: £2,657

All cases are very far short of GMP's "£100,000" claim, but more than that, the Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Act 1999 allows the NHS to recover costs from motor insurers. £105.7m was recovered in 2003. Comparing the wrong figure to the cost of other medical treatments is extremely distasteful and misleading, said Safe Speed.

  • Rebecca Harrison

     

    In the tragic story of Rebecca Harrison, taken from Manchester Evening News [3], words have been changed to 'spin' the article. "Mr Hill's stupidity..." becomes "Mr Hill's selfish speeding..."

    The words: "- by simply driving too fast. A moment of madness has destroyed so many lives. It just wasn't worth it!" appear to have been added.

    It wasn't mentioned that Rebecca Harrison's death took place at a speed camera site with the driver telling police that he failed to see Rebecca in the road because he was looking at the speed camera.

  • Effectiveness

      An article in The Times[4] suggests that over 700,000 people have already 'cheated' speed camera fines by 'points sharing'. This would imply that around 30,000 people have cheated the system in Manchester. Operation Cheater appears to have found some 30 offences -- fewer than 0.1 per cent of the expected total of 'points sharers' not to mention all the other ways that camera fines may be defrauded.
  • Number plate cloning

  Number plate cloning is a real and fast growing problem. Large numbers of people have received speeding tickets because someone else has used their number plate. But the booklet implies that you would be treated as a fraud if you claimed such a thing, even if true.

Further notes

  • Page starting: "HERE ARE SOME CHEATERS WHO'VE PAID..."
  "20 men were arrested" - but no reports of charges? What happened to the 20? Suspect misleading.
  • Page starting "Three choices for cheaters"
  The number one choice should be to ask: "Do I have a legitimate defence?" As it stands it is clearly intended to scare people away from exercising their legal rights.
  • Page starting: "There is another way"
 

All the data on that page is misleading, although the proof is somewhat complex. Here's an example: "Perhaps you think 'speed' might not influence crash frequency but it must influence crash severity. Wrong.

Look at child pedestrian fatalities. We've all see the claims - 20 per cent die in 30mph impacts; 80 per cent die in 40mph impacts. We know from surveys that most vehicles are 'speeding' in 30mph zones. So are more than 20 per cent of child pedestrian injuries fatal?

In 2004, in built-up areas (30 and 40mph speed limits) 11,999 child pedestrians were injured and 58 died. The proportion that died was 0.4 per cent. The reason that we didn't kill more than 2,400 (20 per cent) was because drivers slow down in areas of danger and brake before impact. These behaviours are major factors in mitigating impact speeds.

Sustainable road safety requires psychologically effective policies, said Safe Speed. Speed cameras are bad psychology and are doomed to fail. Slower is only safer when it refers to the speed at impact and impact speeds are dictated by driver responses."

Taken as a whole the leaflet says: "You have no defence. We really need you to roll over and pay up. You are guilty." But the law says something entirely different: "You are innocent until proven guilty".

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PhantomPH

Original Poster:

4,043 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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Aside from the police being tts again, the thing I am focusing on is that it implies I can avoid a speeding ticket if I can legitimately state that I don't know who was driving at that time.

Is that true?

P~

ubergreg

261 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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Unbelievable.

Isn't the role of the police to uphold and enforce law? Why are they medling in the judiciary process in this way? Such a document should be produced by a far more impartial source than one who has a vested interest in securing as much speed camera revenue as possible.

Prcks.

havoc

33,456 posts

265 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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PhantomPH said:
Aside from the police being tts again, the thing I am focusing on is that it implies I can avoid a speeding ticket if I can legitimately state that I don't know who was driving at that time.

Is that true?

P~

It SHOULD be true, but the Mags have heard it so often you'll need to have a VERY good explanation, and even then they may well find against you.

IPAddis

2,525 posts

314 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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If that's true about misquoting the Manchester Evening News, that's absolutely appauling. That's such blatent spin that it beggers belief!

Ian A.

vladd

8,199 posts

295 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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Do they honestly think that people aren't going to check the so-called facts? Arrogance beyond belief.

iaint

10,040 posts

268 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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PhantomPH said:
Aside from the police being tts again


I would suspect that the GMP have foolishly allowed the scamera Pratnership to issue a booklet in their name. It's the prats in the pranterships that need stringing up. How the police can stomach lending their authority to thesse bullies is a different question!

annodomini2

6,971 posts

281 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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The real problem is this article probably won't make national news, which is a shame.

mdbrl

14 posts

263 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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This has obviously been released in an attempt to discourage those who have received NIPs from taking it to court. The system is clogged enough as it is, so they need us to accept our 'guilt' without them incurring any court time, and these blatant bully-boy tactics have been put in place to serve that purpose.

Don't accept the NIP folks, go to court! Make it as difficult as possible for them, make the system grind to a halt until the authorities finally accept that bludgeoning innocent motorists like this will get them nowhere.

>> Edited by mdbrl on Thursday 16th February 13:49

>> Edited by mdbrl on Thursday 16th February 13:49

Arquestian

293 posts

253 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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One could simply claim that if the police can speed in their own cars while off-duty then so can everyone else... QED.

cupramax

11,007 posts

282 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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annodomini2 said:
The real problem is this article probably won't make national news, which is a shame.


So forward the info to the tabloid of your choice, dont moan, DO SOMETHING. I'm sure they'd have a field day with this... Really is beyond belief what the Scamera Partnerships will stoop to.

I've been wagering a war with our local MP over hidden camera vans, illegaly parked camera vans, sneaky tactics catching out motorists, they dont like it up em. Whats the betting I'll get an unexpected visit one dark night

safespeed

2,983 posts

304 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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IPAddis said:
If that's true about misquoting the Manchester Evening News, that's absolutely appauling. That's such blatent spin that it beggers belief!


The original PR gives full references for checking such facts. See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SafeSpe

The relevant sections are:

Rebecca Harrison

In the tragic story of Rebecca Harrison, taken from Manchester Evening News
[3], words have been changed to 'spin' the article.

"Mr Hill's stupidity..." becomes "Mr Hill's selfish speeding..."

The words: "- by simply driving too fast. A moment of madness has destroyed so
many lives. It just wasn't worth it!" appear to have been added.

It wasn't mentioned that Rebecca Harrison's death took place at a speed camera
site with the driver telling Police that he failed to see Rebecca in the road
because he was looking at the speed camera [7].



[1] An online copy of the booklet:
www.pepipoo.com/cmsms/index.php?page=Cheetah_booklet

[3] Manchester Evening news article regarding Rebecca Harrison
www.manchesteronline.co.uk/news/s/117/117470_speeding_killer_driver_is_jailed.html

[7] A speed camera at the site:
www.wigantoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=66&ArticleID=780874
contains: "He also told a police officer that he didn't see Rebecca as he was
looking at a speed camera."

www.wigantoday.net/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=66&ArticleID=778254
contains: "Miss Hogg said that Rebecca was flung "higher than the speed
camera" by the impact of the vehicle."

Fatboymart

5 posts

255 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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Consistently,

Safespeed, Pepipoo, Pistonheads, IAM, ABM have all shown superior knowledge and understanding towards the speeding versus scamera partnership fiasco.

How did this country get into this state?

A retired school headmistress once said to me while stuck on the M4 in a traffic jam “this country is in need of a revolution”

God is she right.

Martin

bunglist

545 posts

260 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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If you go to the link so that you can see the booklet, has anyone noticed the missing word in the very first paragraph. Just shows the proff readers are not even doing there jobs either.

Complete waste of tax payers money i would imagine, and I am sure there will be other gramatical errors.

Tossers

KB_S1

5,967 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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'General anti-safety camera websites'

Has anyone seen one of these anti-safety camera's then?
That is bordering on KGB style Police enforcement.
Whoever is responsible for that should be given a job at Disney making scripts for the baddies.

Sgt^Roc

512 posts

279 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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They seem prepared to write anything to get this speeding thing accross, more ax payers money wasted by our talentless plod, why dont they just get on the beat where they belong on do their job?

antispeed

110 posts

254 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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mdbrl said:
This has obviously been released in an attempt to discourage those who have received NIPs from taking it to court. The system is clogged enough as it is, so they need us to accept our 'guilt' without them incurring any court time, and these blatant bully-boy tactics have been put in place to serve that purpose.

Don't accept the NIP folks, go to court! Make it as difficult as possible for them, make the system grind to a halt until the authorities finally accept that bludgeoning innocent motorists like this will get them nowhere.

>> Edited by mdbrl on Thursday 16th February 13:49

>> Edited by mdbrl on Thursday 16th February 13:49


HEAR HEAR mdbrl 100% agree with you the more of us who take it to court, even if you only have 1% chance of winning, its a chance worth taking,

I practice what I preach!! a NIP arrived 26th April 2005, ignored it, 2nd reminder nip arrived july 15th! (just in time for the 3 month up rule (as usual)), sent back documents stating I wish to go to court,
august 19th 1st appearance, ajurned til 19th september as a witness was not available,
on the 19th september trial date was set for october 19th,
on 15th october back to court as CPS had overlooked that is trained and rehearsed witness was appearing in Liskeard court on another speed case (!!) and could not attend so re set trial date to 19th december and ajurned til trial.
lost 1 won 1 £100 fine £250 costs. result in my book money well spent, as the total time wasted of courts time + cps time + his witness time must have amounted to weeks of time wasted!

so go for it people fight back!! you only get 3 chances, dont wait til the last one which goes to crown court and a whole lot of money.

ps I did not waste money on lawyers, could not afford one anyway, most of the advice is free on variuos forums ect

texasjohn

3,687 posts

261 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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An excellent article.

I look forward to GMP's response to this.

Were the Manchester Evening News ever contacted?

safespeed

2,983 posts

304 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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texasjohn said:
Were the Manchester Evening News ever contacted?


Again and again and again.

This was the latest:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Operation Cheetah
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:45:52 -0000
From: "John Scheerhout" <john.scheerhout@men-news.co.uk>
To: "Paul Smith" <psmith@safespeed.org.uk>


Hi Paul,
Not sure why but that story wasn't in today's paper. I am now told it should go in tomorrow. Can you hold off sending it out generally until then? I would understand if not.
John
----------------------------------

It's been written and ready since Tuesday I believe.

Yesterday they told me it was definitely going to be in Thursday's (today's) paper. I sent out the Safe Speed PR 30 minutes before I heard (via above email) that it wasn't.

james_j

3,996 posts

285 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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It would seem that there is some clout (i.e. money at the root) from the camera businesses here.

They're running scared that more and more people are knowledgeable of their rights (as slim as they are) and of the innacuracy of dodgyscopes and gatsos; and are more willing to challenge NIPs.

Jonleeper

664 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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Maybe we should claim to be a harassed and abused minority and organise a protest waving banners and burning flags in the centre of Manchester, or would we be arrested under the anti-terrorism laws I wonder?