supermarket speed humps
Discussion
My local ASDA has recently had a refit and has decided to put loads of REALLY agressive speed humps all over the car park. Even if you go really slowly over them they still cause a big thud on the suspension. Furthermore, I have seen several "almost accidents" caused by people pulling out infront of people slowing down for the bumps.
Now there are no speed limit signs on the car park (not that I believe it's legal to enforce a limit of less that 20mph) so therefore are these bumps doing a valid job apart from increasing polution in the area or can they do what the hell they like being private land even though it's for public use??
Now there are no speed limit signs on the car park (not that I believe it's legal to enforce a limit of less that 20mph) so therefore are these bumps doing a valid job apart from increasing polution in the area or can they do what the hell they like being private land even though it's for public use??
vonhosen said:
There will be a disclaimer that the car park is used at the customers risk. Although it is a road under the Road Traffic Act, it is private property & maintenance decisions/costs are the owners.
I don't think these disclaimers are really worth anything ie, you can't shift liability that easily. Anybody know for certain?
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Boosted LS1 said:
There will be a disclaimer that the car park is used at the customers risk. Although it is a road under the Road Traffic Act, it is private property & maintenance decisions/costs are the owners.
I don't think these disclaimers are really worth anything ie, you can't shift liability that easily. Anybody know for certain?
Boosted.
Bolton Council per Evening News last year tore up some of the humps as they were too high - und people had claimed damages.
I agree - some of these humps on appraoch to these car parks are way too high. Even at speedo registering 0 mph you feel them.
Once in car park though - no humps und people behave in most stupid fashion ever seen.
Ist why I do not use supermarkets often. I shop at farmers' markets und farm shops. I like to look my dinner in eye und say sorry but you ain't half tasty with Yorkshire Puds
I see the funniest thing ever yesterday, A boy racer in his Corsa, he must have just put a brand new body kit on it, he was parked on the side of the road with the kit in pieces after going over a speed cushion, he must have only driven 100 meters since fitting it as the bumps went both ways!!!!
How I laughed!
How I laughed!
There is a supermarket down near Winchester that I brought to a standstill as I couldn't get out the exit due to an enormous 'speed' hump across it. As there wasn't one on the in, I had to get traffic stopped so I could safely exit the car park that way.
Perhaps if you do that every time they'll soon learn?
Perhaps if you do that every time they'll soon learn?
In a similar vein, local Midlands question. Anybody have any opinion about the raised pedestrian walkways that are in Weavers Wharf car park in Kidderminster.
These walkways are block paving set about half a brick high, so you effectively have to bump over several kerbs as you traverse the car park.
Personally I avoid the car park like the plague, but if I have no alternative then the mini herbs are crossed at 0.05 mph.
What height of kerb will start to cause tyre damage? These bricks are sharp cornered.
These walkways are block paving set about half a brick high, so you effectively have to bump over several kerbs as you traverse the car park.
Personally I avoid the car park like the plague, but if I have no alternative then the mini herbs are crossed at 0.05 mph.
What height of kerb will start to cause tyre damage? These bricks are sharp cornered.
CombeMarshal said:
I see the funniest thing ever yesterday, A boy racer in his Corsa, he must have just put a brand new body kit on it, he was parked on the side of the road with the kit in pieces after going over a speed cushion, he must have only driven 100 meters since fitting it as the bumps went both ways!!!!
How I laughed!
That's just cruel, you should be ashamed of yourself......
What is the legal position if you go onto private property (like an asda car park, or a private road) which has such aggressive speed humps that you ground your car regardless of how slow you take them....do you have any recourse for damages against the owners of the ground (assuming it is publically accessible etc).
I hate speedhumps, well the humps aren't that bad, it's the plastic ones that are really square. I've seen carparks in America where they use those to at the end of the space so you don't cross onto the path... That's right, to stop cars!! They're blatently too big to actually drive over in most cars!! 
Hate speedbumps!
Hate speedbumps!
The Highways (Road Humps) 1999, like many things sets out what DofT consider to be lawful 'umps.
Nature, dimensions and location of road humps
4. - (1) Subject to regulation 7, no road hump shall be constructed or maintained in a highway unless-
(a) each face of it across the carriageway of the highway in which it is constructed is at right angles to an imaginary line along the centre of that carriageway;
(b) it has a minimum length of 900 millimetres measured parallel to an imaginary line along the centre of that carriageway from the point where one face meets the surface of that carriageway to the point where the other face meets the surface of that carriageway;
(c) the highest point on it is not less than 25 millimetres nor more than 100 millimetres higher than an imaginary line parallel to the centre line of that carriageway connecting the surface of that carriageway on one side of the road hump to the surface of that carriageway on the other side of the road hump and passing vertically below that point; and,
(d) no vertical face of any material forming part of that road hump exceeds 6 millimetres measured vertically from top to bottom of that face.
(Ignore parts of the above if a 20 mph limit is also in force at that area.)
If they do not comply with the above then they are not legal on a road.
But as VH states this post is about them being as far as Road traffic is concerned in a 'public place' other than a road.
Circular Roads 4/96 (advice to LA's by DoT on humps)
http;//www.tinyurl.com/29xef
makes an interesting comment at Para 18.
Whilst having very limited experience on Civil Law, I would have thought that if there is s standard for 'umps which is breached on private land, despite the presence of signs disclaiming any liabilities, then if damage occurs a claim could be made.
dvd
Nature, dimensions and location of road humps
4. - (1) Subject to regulation 7, no road hump shall be constructed or maintained in a highway unless-
(a) each face of it across the carriageway of the highway in which it is constructed is at right angles to an imaginary line along the centre of that carriageway;
(b) it has a minimum length of 900 millimetres measured parallel to an imaginary line along the centre of that carriageway from the point where one face meets the surface of that carriageway to the point where the other face meets the surface of that carriageway;
(c) the highest point on it is not less than 25 millimetres nor more than 100 millimetres higher than an imaginary line parallel to the centre line of that carriageway connecting the surface of that carriageway on one side of the road hump to the surface of that carriageway on the other side of the road hump and passing vertically below that point; and,
(d) no vertical face of any material forming part of that road hump exceeds 6 millimetres measured vertically from top to bottom of that face.
(Ignore parts of the above if a 20 mph limit is also in force at that area.)
If they do not comply with the above then they are not legal on a road.
But as VH states this post is about them being as far as Road traffic is concerned in a 'public place' other than a road.
Circular Roads 4/96 (advice to LA's by DoT on humps)
http;//www.tinyurl.com/29xef
makes an interesting comment at Para 18.
Whilst having very limited experience on Civil Law, I would have thought that if there is s standard for 'umps which is breached on private land, despite the presence of signs disclaiming any liabilities, then if damage occurs a claim could be made.
dvd
I particularly find the raised 'platforms' that look like pedestrian crossings but aren't - a real pain. I slow down to 2mph to traverse them and some 
pedestrian walks out in-front of me assuming I'm stopping to let them cross. Ether it should be marked as a crossing or it shouldn't be. Its just confuses both drivers and pedestrians as no-one knows who's right of way it is. Got to be dangerous.
Anyone been to Harefield (NW London) recently? This used to be a little 'village' (although never as nice as it looked). The council have gone mad there recently - humps, raised platforms surrounding the main roundabout, bits of road blocked, man-made slaloms. Two speed cameras. Its a total mess and an abomination.
pedestrian walks out in-front of me assuming I'm stopping to let them cross. Ether it should be marked as a crossing or it shouldn't be. Its just confuses both drivers and pedestrians as no-one knows who's right of way it is. Got to be dangerous. Anyone been to Harefield (NW London) recently? This used to be a little 'village' (although never as nice as it looked). The council have gone mad there recently - humps, raised platforms surrounding the main roundabout, bits of road blocked, man-made slaloms. Two speed cameras. Its a total mess and an abomination.
page3 said:There is one by my local railway station (I've written about it before) that has caused several near accidents (vehicle/pedestrian and vehicle/vehicle), many cross words, a lot of finger waving (one and two), and on one glorious occasion a threat from plod to "do me" for failing to give way to a pedestrian on a crossing. That the white-painted markings are triangular and there are no beacons or traffic signals did not persuade him that it was not a pedestrian crossing but a speed-table. His sergeant persuaded him though! - Streaky
I particularly find the raised 'platforms' that look like pedestrian crossings but aren't - a real pain. I slow down to 2mph to traverse them and some
i created a bit of chaos when visiting friends, popped round the local supermarket to get some wine in my Mini Jem,it had been snowing and there was quite a bit of slush around and in an effort to minimise the impact of one of those square rubber speed bumps, i tried to drive across it diagonally....bad move!
i got one wheel over it, then the car bottomed out on the gearbox....i tried to reverse off, but the wheel span on the slush, tried going forward, and the other wheel span.....meanwhile there's a big que forming of impatient shoppers!
after about 20 mins a couple of other drivers helped me lift the car off the speed bump, and i made a hasty getaway!
i got one wheel over it, then the car bottomed out on the gearbox....i tried to reverse off, but the wheel span on the slush, tried going forward, and the other wheel span.....meanwhile there's a big que forming of impatient shoppers!
after about 20 mins a couple of other drivers helped me lift the car off the speed bump, and i made a hasty getaway!
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