TfL's plans for "civil traffic enforcement"
TfL's plans for "civil traffic enforcement"
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Peter Ward

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286 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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A presentation given by Jim Lewis, Engineering Manager for Traffic Enforcement, TfL. It's on the IET website here: www.iee.org/oncomms/pn/auto/DTES.p

While presented as a technical challenge, there are some policy comments in here as well. Some will also enjoy the IT architecture aspects. Note that data is encrypted and written to WORM "within 24 hours to protect data from tampering". Note also that it is "operated on the benefit of doubt principle". I was surprised to see the "false trigger rate" target as being less than 10%, which doesn't seem too stringent to me but perhaps this is to keep the partnerships staffing levels up as they handle the complaints.

>> Edited by Peter Ward on Friday 21st April 12:43

Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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link doesn't work

havoc

33,457 posts

265 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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Zod said:
link doesn't work
Did for me. Should be a .pdf

7db

6,060 posts

260 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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The adjudication procedure really needs tightening up so that appeal can work properly and reliably. Probably by using one of the well established channels of law - magistrate's court, anyone?

wob

65 posts

314 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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Civil Traffic Enforcement
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"If you don't mind awfully sir, I'm afraid I'm going to have to fine you £100"

"No problem at all, thank you very much. Tootle pip!"

Sorry - couldn't resist. I'll get me coat...

pwig

12,004 posts

300 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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wob said:
Civil Traffic Enforcement
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"If you don't mind awfully sir, I'm afraid I'm going to have to fine you £100"

"No problem at all, thank you very much. Tootle pip!"

Sorry - couldn't resist. I'll get me coat...


Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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havoc said:
Zod said:
link doesn't work
Did for me. Should be a .pdf
odd: it works now.

Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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This appears to just be bus lane enforcement. While I have objections to many of the capital's bus lanes, I don't infringe, so I'm not unduly concerned. Where they might take it from here though does worry me.

turbobloke

117,293 posts

290 months

Friday 21st April 2006
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Zod said:
This appears to just be bus lane enforcement. While I have objections to many of the capital's bus lanes, I don't infringe, so I'm not unduly concerned. Where they might take it from here though does worry me.
For the Olympics they're taking it as far as those old Soviet style Zyl lanes, to ensure Prescott can eat his pies on time, the Olympic officials can plant their fat backsides on the best seats, and athletes can get between blood and urine tests. Stray into one and it will be an uncivil £1000 fine. That's what was on the table a few months back, and afaik it still is.

streaky

19,311 posts

279 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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turbobloke said:
Zod said:
This appears to just be bus lane enforcement. While I have objections to many of the capital's bus lanes, I don't infringe, so I'm not unduly concerned. Where they might take it from here though does worry me.
For the Olympics they're taking it as far as those old Soviet style Zyl lanes, to ensure Prescott can eat his pies on time, the Olympic officials can plant their fat backsides on the best seats, and athletes can get between blood and urine tests. Stray into one and it will be an uncivil £1000 fine. That's what was on the table a few months back, and afaik it still is.
So-called "Zyl lanes" were something of a misnomer; The reserved lanes were also used by Chaikas. These were one step down from the ZIL and were extensively used by the ZGB. Nikita Khruschev preferred the Chaika to the ZIL and kept one at his dacha ... but used the armoured ZIL in Moscow.

ZIL ("Zavod Imeni Lihacheva" started in 1924 as AMO (Avtomobilnoe Moskovskoe Obshchestvo ("Moscuvite Automotive Enterprise". ZIS ("Zavod Imeni Stalina" started in 1933 (from AMO). They manufactured the first Soviet truck. Their first car, the ZIS 101, was built in 1936. The factory stopped producing cars in 1941 and restarted in 1946. When Stalin died, the cars were renamed ZIL. Production continues.

Streaky

PS - that the KGB used Chaika's was "useful". Also "useful" was the occasion that a delivery of brown homburg hats from Germany arrived in one of the "elite stores" open to the ZGB. For weeks afterwards, Western intelligence agencies photographed everyone wearing a brand-new, brown Homburg. And the really funny thing was ... they really were KGB agents! - S

turbobloke

117,293 posts

290 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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Thanks streaky, whoever was allowed to use zil lanes in mother russia it looks like we won't be allowed to use their namesake in London under threat of a very large slap in the wallet. It remains to be seen how far Transport for Lefties will go in engineering some inevitable lane transgressions.

BigBob

1,471 posts

255 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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turbobloke said:


...........under threat of a very large slap in the wallet. It remains to be seen how far Transport for Lefties will go in engineering some inevitable lane transgressions.



Gotta pay for the Olympics somehow .........



autismuk

1,529 posts

270 months

Saturday 22nd April 2006
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The probable end game is having privatised traffic enforcement. Which will be as straight and honest as the privatised parking.