Another one bites the dust
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Well it looks as though the A6144(M) Carrington Bypass that runs onto the M60 will be reduced from a perfectly safe 70mph limit, to a 50mph. Signs have gone up with a big 50 limit, also signs for no cycles, no horses, no pedestrians.
How do I find out if this is legal? The road is easily capable of more than 50, there are practically no houses bordering it, no pavement, no junctions, perfect surface, big gap between carriageways, good visibility....
How do I find out if this is legal? The road is easily capable of more than 50, there are practically no houses bordering it, no pavement, no junctions, perfect surface, big gap between carriageways, good visibility....
Parrot of Doom said:
Well it looks as though the A6144(M) Carrington Bypass that runs onto the M60 will be reduced from a perfectly safe 70mph limit, to a 50mph. Signs have gone up with a big 50 limit, also signs for no cycles, no horses, no pedestrians.
How do I find out if this is legal? The road is easily capable of more than 50, there are practically no houses bordering it, no pavement, no junctions, perfect surface, big gap between carriageways, good visibility....
I do not ever recall reading of accident here in the Manchester press which we do read on daily basis.
I do know the limit ist reduced to 40 mph at the first lights from M60 und there ist Gatso on each side of road near to the lights which lead to petrol site on one side und the Tameside Hospital on the other und I also seem to think that road ist now 40 mph but was faster once but cannot quite remember for sure?
There ist - I think one other .. in the 30 mph not too far from a 40 mph but again not sure if 40 mph ist in site. Do know there ist a right turn to an occasional car boot sale site und a left to some works about here.
We took this route to visit Dunham Massey once.
Well the existing layout, you come from the M60 and its a 70mph limit. Then you get to the lights. Unfortunately the lights are on the motorway, so you're breaking the law if you stop for the lights, and breaking the law if you don't 
At the lights the limit becomes 40mph if you continue west. This used to be 60mph NSL.
I just don't understand why its 50mph if the current limit has been safe for so long. The major accidents on this road all occured soon after it opened as people presumed it was a one-way road.
At the lights the limit becomes 40mph if you continue west. This used to be 60mph NSL.
I just don't understand why its 50mph if the current limit has been safe for so long. The major accidents on this road all occured soon after it opened as people presumed it was a one-way road.
Just received this from the council:
He also sent me some docs, which are here:
PDF files
I think the limit change is quite sneaky, since the vast majority of motorists using that road think they're in a 40mph zone. There is no NSL signage whatsoever, just a motorway begins sign.
>> Edited by Parrot of Doom on Monday 15th May 15:59
Trafford council said:
Dear Mr *****
As part of the current M60 widening project, improvements at Junction 8 will result in the new roundabout becoming a Principal road instead of its current motorway classification. This will allow the Carrington Spur to be re-classified as an “A-class” non-primary road. Associated with the re-classification of the Spur road is a requirement to introduce associated Traffic Regulation Orders to prevent stopping on the road, to regulate speed and prohibit certain highway users.
I would advise you that we are in the process of introducing the Traffic Orders and a 50mph speed limit on the Carrington Spur, along with the relevant traffic signs. It is anticipated that these will become operative on 24 May 2006.
Please find attached copies of the Notice of Intent for the various Orders. We received a total of 4 objections to the proposed speed limit Order and none to the other proposals. I can advise you that the objections raised to the speed limit have been summarised and included in a report which has been considered by the Executive Member for Technical Services. After careful consideration of the issues raised, it was approved that the proposed 50mph speed limit be introduced. Please be advised that the objection period is over and we cannot consider any further objections.
I would inform you that consideration has been given to the Department for Transports (DfT) advice on speed limits (Circular Roads 1/93) when proposing the 50mph limit for the Carrington Spur. Existing vehicle speeds have been used to determine the most appropriate limit. Greater Manchester Transportation Unit has an automatic traffic survey site on the Spur and this reveals an average weekday mean speed of 48.45mph and an average weekday 85th percentile speed of 55.75mph (based on data recorded between January 2005 and November 2005).
These results also indicate that just over 66% of vehicles travel along the spur at 50mph or less (Average weekday flows).
The DfT advice is that if the observed 85th percentile speed is within 7mph or 20 per cent of the proposed limit, the limit may be introduced. The proposed limit, therefore, accords to the DfT guidance and the 50mph speed limit Order will be made as advertised.
If you require a copy of the sealed 50mph Order (or any of the proposed orders) you will need to send a cheque for £15, made payable to TMBC. The address to send the cheque and request to is The Traffic Section, 2nd Floor Waterside House, Sale Waterside, Sale M33 7ZF.
Should you require any further information please contact me.
Regards,
Paul Bentley
Traffic & Transportation
0161 912 4783
07760 167072
He also sent me some docs, which are here:
PDF files
I think the limit change is quite sneaky, since the vast majority of motorists using that road think they're in a 40mph zone. There is no NSL signage whatsoever, just a motorway begins sign.
>> Edited by Parrot of Doom on Monday 15th May 15:59
Trafford Council writing to PoD said:
After careful consideration of the issues raised (in the objections) it was approved that the proposed 50mph speed limit be introduced. Please be advised that the objection period is over and we cannot consider any further objections.
Careful consideration of objections
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/tom.jeff
Thats a report of the objections raised. Basically, they ignored them.
Interesting to see however that speed enforcement is going to be extremely difficult, there is nowhere they can get access to other than the laybys
What annoys me is that the average speeds on the road are massively affected by the number of people who believed it was 40mph, and by the many HGVs that use it.
>> Edited by Parrot of Doom on Wednesday 31st May 20:40
Thats a report of the objections raised. Basically, they ignored them.
Interesting to see however that speed enforcement is going to be extremely difficult, there is nowhere they can get access to other than the laybys
What annoys me is that the average speeds on the road are massively affected by the number of people who believed it was 40mph, and by the many HGVs that use it.
>> Edited by Parrot of Doom on Wednesday 31st May 20:40
Trafford council said:
The DfT advice is that if the observed 85th percentile speed is within 7mph or 20 per cent of the proposed limit, the limit may be introduced. The proposed limit, therefore, accords to the DfT guidance and the 50mph speed limit Order will be made as advertised.
And as we all know the DfT is a bunch of government bo**ocks. Maybe they have a justification, but this doesn't seem very reasonable. What about when this vast good road is empty during the midnight hours.
It's just an excuse for excise and duty.
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