CAMERA VANS IN PUBLIC LAYBYS
Discussion
I often see Camera Vans parked in public laybys with the operator looking out of the rear of the vehicle. What if another vehicle was to park in the layby directly behind the Camera Van thus blocking the operators view of the road.
As it's a public layby, would any offence be committed by parking in such a way?
As it's a public layby, would any offence be committed by parking in such a way?
There's one way to find out!
But seriously, I imagine (purely based on the big picture) they'll do you for obstructing.
Maybe someone who knows more could advise on my unfounded sugestions...
Edited to add - I figure it would be the same as deliberately trying to stand in front of a policeman during a foot chase (regardless of the public nature of the pavement). It's not, but they'd take it in the same light I reckon...
Best of luck!
>> Edited by jaykaybi on Wednesday 24th May 15:51
But seriously, I imagine (purely based on the big picture) they'll do you for obstructing.
Maybe someone who knows more could advise on my unfounded sugestions...
Edited to add - I figure it would be the same as deliberately trying to stand in front of a policeman during a foot chase (regardless of the public nature of the pavement). It's not, but they'd take it in the same light I reckon...
Best of luck!
>> Edited by jaykaybi on Wednesday 24th May 15:51
There was a case near Reading - white van man parked in a marked bay outside a newsagent while shopping inside.
He was told to move by the little hitler inside and ignored him. Scameraship took wvm to court and lost - it appears that the newsagent owned the spaces and gave wvm permission to park there
Different to a public layby of course...
He was told to move by the little hitler inside and ignored him. Scameraship took wvm to court and lost - it appears that the newsagent owned the spaces and gave wvm permission to park there
Different to a public layby of course...
Yeah, I thought that they would ask you to move on & if you refused they'd threaten you with obstruction or similar. As it's a public layby though and if you needed to check your vehicle or make a phone call etc. why shouldn't you park there?
I should add, that I'm just curious as to the legal situation, I wouldn't suggest that anyone park their vehicle so as to obstruct a Camera Van in going about their duty & "saving lifes".
>> Edited by A57 HSV on Wednesday 24th May 15:58
I should add, that I'm just curious as to the legal situation, I wouldn't suggest that anyone park their vehicle so as to obstruct a Camera Van in going about their duty & "saving lifes".
>> Edited by A57 HSV on Wednesday 24th May 15:58
A57 HSV said:Depends if it's a civvie or a BiB inside the van.
Do the Camera Partnerships have the same rights as the Police? It's not as if they are carrying out an observation on a specific suspected criminal/s. IMO it's not comparable to obstructing the Police at all.
What if it's a BiB on overtime getting paid by the scameraship?
Interesting point. We see signs all over telling us to take a break and tiredness kills. SO what would be the position if I pulled into a layby behind said van for a quick snooze and was told to move along. Surely if I am being sensible and taking a break as I am tired being forced to drive on is seriously dangerous ?
Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm
A few miles from me there has been some building work going on for the last three weeks, that is right next to a speed camera. The builder has his box van backed up to the camera most days. They have a lot of pictures of the back of this van because I allways do 40 past it when it's there.
A good friend was towing a car on a trailer and stopped in a lay-by on the Shefford by-pass where a civvie in a scammer van was working. Due to the length of the lay-by and his vehicle combination he had to stop in front of the van and the scammer in the van demanded he move immediately. He refused on the basis that he needed to check the load restraints and needed to make a phone call and have a cup of tea from his thermos flask, pointing out that the reason for the lay-by was exactly that. The scammer gave up, started up his van and moved elsewhere.
cooperman said:
A good friend was towing a car on a trailer and stopped in a lay-by on the Shefford by-pass where a civvie in a scammer van was working. Due to the length of the lay-by and his vehicle combination he had to stop in front of the van and the scammer in the van demanded he move immediately. He refused on the basis that he needed to check the load restraints and needed to make a phone call and have a cup of tea from his thermos flask, pointing out that the reason for the lay-by was exactly that. The scammer gave up, started up his van and moved elsewhere.
Excellent. I feel sure camera van operators in lay-bys probably don't have a leg to stand on if you park in their way. A lay-by is a public place where the public are entitled to park - wherever they wish.
If anything, I wonder about the legality of their carrying out their profession in a public lay-by.
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I don't know if the Highway Code has anything on Lay-Bys. I'd guess that they come under the by-laws for whichever County Council they belong to.
Being told to move on, when you need to rest or attend to your vehicle etc. can't be good for road safety & reducing the amount of accidents!
I don't know if the Highway Code has anything on Lay-Bys. I'd guess that they come under the by-laws for whichever County Council they belong to.
Being told to move on, when you need to rest or attend to your vehicle etc. can't be good for road safety & reducing the amount of accidents!
james_j said:
A lay-by is a public place where the public are entitled to park - wherever they wish.
Not if they are obstructing the Police.
james_j said:A few of the girls around here don't seem put off by doing exactly just that.
If anything, I wonder about the legality of their carrying out their profession in a public lay-by.
Section 223 of the Highway Code. Therefore, any Camera Vans operating at night should have their parking lights on, if the speed limit is greater than 30mph. Interesting! I haven't seen any Camera Vans operating at night, but I've heard that they can.
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.htm#223
>> Edited by A57 HSV on Thursday 25th May 13:22
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.htm#223
>> Edited by A57 HSV on Thursday 25th May 13:22
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