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Tomorrow I have to decide if a rep loses his job. He has received a 12 month ban for DD. As a newbie to the firm he has made a good start and would make I think a long term improvement. However this would set a precedent, his GF will give up her job to drive him for the next 12 months by the way. He has no long term alcohol problems just an unfortunate incident.
Please no judgements, what was done was wrong, no question, but I would welcome your opinions.
If you want to keep it private pm me.
Please no judgements, what was done was wrong, no question, but I would welcome your opinions.
If you want to keep it private pm me.
Difficult decision. Was it on the job, or in his leisure time, and dont forget those imortal words "But for the grace of god, there go I", hand on heart have you never ever got behind the wheel after a drink you knew would put you over the limit. You also said he was going to pick up his GF who had blown her car, maybe she called him, and he thought, well I have only had 2 or 3, so I should be OK, just guessing really, could be totally irrellevant.
I wouldnt think he would do that again in a hurry, but was it just over, waayyyyyy over or what, can you afford to loose him, glad I dont have to make that decision.
Could be worse, he could be married, 6 kids, big mortgage etc etc..... Good luck on whatever decision you come to, and I hope afterwards, whatever that decision is, you feel you have made the right one.
>> Edited by vipers on Friday 26th May 05:48
I wouldnt think he would do that again in a hurry, but was it just over, waayyyyyy over or what, can you afford to loose him, glad I dont have to make that decision.
Could be worse, he could be married, 6 kids, big mortgage etc etc..... Good luck on whatever decision you come to, and I hope afterwards, whatever that decision is, you feel you have made the right one.
>> Edited by vipers on Friday 26th May 05:48
if his job is not affected then it sounds like its ok to keep him
he is in enough hell with his GF having to drive him every where he has learnt his lesson this will cause him absolute grief
at least he told yuo not trying to drive disqualified
might smart on the insurance when ban is finished though
he could use public transport or do a lot of overseas work for you maybe
its you decision wheather you beleive this is a charecter flaw or a mistake which he is going to pay for
trial period sounds good idea
he is in enough hell with his GF having to drive him every where he has learnt his lesson this will cause him absolute grief
at least he told yuo not trying to drive disqualified
might smart on the insurance when ban is finished though
he could use public transport or do a lot of overseas work for you maybe
its you decision wheather you beleive this is a charecter flaw or a mistake which he is going to pay for
trial period sounds good idea
If it helps;
Several years ago a friend was employed as an electrician with a Local Authority. Part of his duties were travelling from property to property doing maintenance and emergency call outs.
He had a proven work record and, like your employee, did NOT have a drink problem. In fact he was normally the 'nominated driver' when the gang went out.
He picked up a 12 month ban. His father, who was on the point of retiring, retired early and spent the next 12 months driving him around from call to call - not in a company vehicle though. It had been practice for employees to drive their own cars anyway and get paid mileage.
The guy must really want the job with you if G/F is prepared to give up her job, so, if he is good, do you really want to lose him?
Good luck with the decision.
BB
Several years ago a friend was employed as an electrician with a Local Authority. Part of his duties were travelling from property to property doing maintenance and emergency call outs.
He had a proven work record and, like your employee, did NOT have a drink problem. In fact he was normally the 'nominated driver' when the gang went out.
He picked up a 12 month ban. His father, who was on the point of retiring, retired early and spent the next 12 months driving him around from call to call - not in a company vehicle though. It had been practice for employees to drive their own cars anyway and get paid mileage.
The guy must really want the job with you if G/F is prepared to give up her job, so, if he is good, do you really want to lose him?
Good luck with the decision.
BB
If it helps;
Several years ago a friend was employed as an electrician with a Local Authority. Part of his duties were travelling from property to property doing maintenance and emergency call outs.
He had a proven work record and, like your employee, did NOT have a drink problem. In fact he was normally the 'nominated driver' when the gang went out.
He picked up a 12 month ban. His father, who was on the point of retiring, retired early and spent the next 12 months driving him around from call to call - not in a company vehicle though. It had been practice for employees to drive their own cars anyway and get paid mileage.
The guy must really want the job with you if G/F is prepared to give up her job, so, if he is good, do you really want to lose him?
Good luck with the decision.
BB
Several years ago a friend was employed as an electrician with a Local Authority. Part of his duties were travelling from property to property doing maintenance and emergency call outs.
He had a proven work record and, like your employee, did NOT have a drink problem. In fact he was normally the 'nominated driver' when the gang went out.
He picked up a 12 month ban. His father, who was on the point of retiring, retired early and spent the next 12 months driving him around from call to call - not in a company vehicle though. It had been practice for employees to drive their own cars anyway and get paid mileage.
The guy must really want the job with you if G/F is prepared to give up her job, so, if he is good, do you really want to lose him?
Good luck with the decision.
BB
He and his GF are clearly committed to him being able to fulfill his job requirements. If you really feel that he has potential to make a good contribution, I'd be inclined to keep him on, with the proviso that you should stress that he has clearly made a VERY poor judgement call in deciding to go and "rescue" his GF (why don't they join the AA FFS) and that it DOES call his decision-making into question. He will therefore be looked at very closely during the next year or so.
Seems as if he wants to try and keep in your employ and his 'family' seems to be supportive in that respect, perhaps above and beyond the call of duty.
Only you can judge his worth to your company now and potential in the future, but my vote because of para 1) goes for giving him a second chance. Monitor it obviously. Perhaps extend any probationary period in his contract.
The risk is that this could set a company precedent. You need to weigh off if you have any other problem children who just have not been caught. In a repeat with another employee they could point the finger and say "well in that case you...." and that could be a real bummer if deep down you were breathing a sigh of relief that this gave you the chance to get rid.
Difficult one tbh. You have the facts.
Only you can judge his worth to your company now and potential in the future, but my vote because of para 1) goes for giving him a second chance. Monitor it obviously. Perhaps extend any probationary period in his contract.
The risk is that this could set a company precedent. You need to weigh off if you have any other problem children who just have not been caught. In a repeat with another employee they could point the finger and say "well in that case you...." and that could be a real bummer if deep down you were breathing a sigh of relief that this gave you the chance to get rid.
Difficult one tbh. You have the facts.
The ultimate questions are can he still do his job properly and would his actions potentially cast doubt on your company's reputation, irrespective of how innocent/naiive they were.
I got banned for a month for speeding 9 years ago and these were the questions that were asked of my manager and myself: -
* Does his job require him to be mobile and visiting customers?
* Does he get a company car with his job and does your insurance company have any limtations to who they insure under the policy?
* Is he required to take customers out to lunch/dinner or any other sort of entertainment?
* Would the fact that he is being chauffeured and the reason behind it cast doubt on your and your company's reputation and potentially taint your relationships and business with them?
Thankfully I kept my job, even though some of the answers were yes, and I have to say, I never worked harder in my life to show my gratitude.
It is a tough call but if there is any advice I can give you, is that if you give him a trial period to see if this can work and you get no negative response from your customers, then I am sure he will either step up and repay your support in bucket loads, or he will realise that this isn't working for himself.
I got banned for a month for speeding 9 years ago and these were the questions that were asked of my manager and myself: -
* Does his job require him to be mobile and visiting customers?
* Does he get a company car with his job and does your insurance company have any limtations to who they insure under the policy?
* Is he required to take customers out to lunch/dinner or any other sort of entertainment?
* Would the fact that he is being chauffeured and the reason behind it cast doubt on your and your company's reputation and potentially taint your relationships and business with them?
Thankfully I kept my job, even though some of the answers were yes, and I have to say, I never worked harder in my life to show my gratitude.
It is a tough call but if there is any advice I can give you, is that if you give him a trial period to see if this can work and you get no negative response from your customers, then I am sure he will either step up and repay your support in bucket loads, or he will realise that this isn't working for himself.
Firstly,
Do you have the facts of what happened in respect of his DD?
If it wasn't him being an alchoholic etc.. and was a silly mistake, well, s**t happens, should it really ruin his life? Did he kill anyone?
Secondly, I would say at this point in time you may even struggle to be legally entitled to fire him. You would need to look and see if there are any alternative jobs, and whether anyone else who had a record got fired. There is a way to fire him on the basis he cannot do his job as a rep with no driving license BUT if his G/F will run him about an Employment Tribunal may see this as being perfectly reasonable, and meaning he would have still been capable.
Do you have the facts of what happened in respect of his DD?
If it wasn't him being an alchoholic etc.. and was a silly mistake, well, s**t happens, should it really ruin his life? Did he kill anyone?
Secondly, I would say at this point in time you may even struggle to be legally entitled to fire him. You would need to look and see if there are any alternative jobs, and whether anyone else who had a record got fired. There is a way to fire him on the basis he cannot do his job as a rep with no driving license BUT if his G/F will run him about an Employment Tribunal may see this as being perfectly reasonable, and meaning he would have still been capable.
7db said:
Punishment is there for him, not you. If you want to keep him and he's good, then keep him.
If his GF wants to run him around then all the better; I know a BT rep who got into the same situation and had a company driver for a year.
If anybody hears of other folk needing the services of a driver for a spell, perhaps they would be kind enough to let me know.
Distance no object, reliable service, modest rates etc.
Best wishes all,
Dave - still interested in driving jobs.
In the company I just left we had a few people who were banned and kept on (this is across hundreds of people and I was there 20 yrs). They were required to sign letters agreeing that it wouldn't interfere with their work, although in at least 2 cases I can think of, it certainly did.
There was some concern that such a strong precedent had been built up that it had become impossible to fire anyone who lost their licence.
There was some concern that such a strong precedent had been built up that it had become impossible to fire anyone who lost their licence.
I think he's very lucky to have an employer who is even considering the option of keeping him on despite his ban, and a girlfriend who is prepared to drive him around for 12 months.
I hope he realises just how much everyone is going out of their way for him and how daft he's been.
Good luck with your decision. It really depends on whether, or not, he is an employee that you really want to keep on board and if he can carry on doing his job with his 'driver' girlfriend and without extra cost to you as his employer i.e. hotel costs etc if incurred.
I hope he realises just how much everyone is going out of their way for him and how daft he's been.
Good luck with your decision. It really depends on whether, or not, he is an employee that you really want to keep on board and if he can carry on doing his job with his 'driver' girlfriend and without extra cost to you as his employer i.e. hotel costs etc if incurred.
So he's broken one the fundamental rules of driving whilst being in a job that requires him to be a driver and proven himself to be a car wrecker.
That's ok, he's got a home grown taxi firm willing to chauffeur for the next 12 months. Only problem, this driver has proved herself to be a car wrecker too.
Convince me you need this combination representing your firm.
The above was written not entirely without my tongue being wedged in my cheek
That's ok, he's got a home grown taxi firm willing to chauffeur for the next 12 months. Only problem, this driver has proved herself to be a car wrecker too.
Convince me you need this combination representing your firm.
The above was written not entirely without my tongue being wedged in my cheek
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